I hadn't researched the meaning of pidgin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pidgin
So it looks like the first mixing of 2+ languages is a Pidgin, the resulting language among those born after it is spoken is then a creole language. On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 6:10 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson <[email protected]> wrote: > (It must be Friday somewhere.) I'm fascinated by the characterization of > English as 'pidgin'. I don't see that word in any of the articles cited, but > it's an intriguing idea. I think where the term falls short is not the > mish-mash mongrel origin of English but the ideas of 'compromise' and > 'simplification'. It seems that English has taken every opportunity to > increase in complexity, not decrease, at least in regard to vocabulary. > Still, despite having university degrees in English and in Linguistics, I > feel better educated for this exercise. > > . > . > J.O.Skip Robinson > Southern California Edison Company > Electric Dragon Team Paddler > SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager > 323-715-0595 Mobile > 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW > [email protected] > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Mike Schwab > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: (External):Re: curious: why S/360 & decendants are "big endian". > > English is a pidgin language, combined from the three Celtic languages on the > British Isles and 4 norther European languages from northern Europe. > > http://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/how-english-evolved-into-a-modern-language/1575959.html > https://www.englishclub.com/history-of-english/ > http://www.thehistoryofenglish.com/ > > > On Mon, Mar 13, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Mike Myers <[email protected]> wrote: >> All: >> >> Many years ago, I aided Karl Finkemeyer, an IBMer on assignment in NY >> at the time from Germany, and a great friend of mine to immigrate to >> the US. He eventually became a citizen, and a director at Fidelity >> Investments. During the immigration process, his daughter, who by that >> time, spoke fluent English and German, showed me a paper which made >> fun of pronunciation of words in English. Unfortunately, I did not >> obtain a copy, but this discussion made me go and look on-line, hoping to >> find it. >> >> Although this is not Friday, for those of you that like language >> (especially English), Google "English pronunciation poem" or "English >> is a crazy language". Lots of good chuckles for language fans. My favorites >> were: >> >> https://archive.org/stream/EnglishCrazyLanguageEssay/English%20Crazy%2 >> 0Language%20Essay_djvu.txt >> http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2011/12/23/english-pronunciation/ >> the one above as a poem: http://ncf.idallen.com/english.html >> >> Mike Myers >> Mentor Services Corporation >> Goldsboro, NC 27530 >> (919) 341-5210 - office >> >> >> On 03/13/2017 05:28 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote: >>> >>> "English is a _stupid_ language." Every language is stupid in its own >>> way, some more so than others. If English were rational and simple, >>> everybody would be using it. ;-) >>> >>> . >>> . >>> J.O.Skip Robinson >>> Southern California Edison Company >>> Electric Dragon Team Paddler >>> SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager >>> 323-715-0595 Mobile >>> 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW >>> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On Behalf Of John McKown >>> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 1:56 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: (External):Re: curious: why S/360 & decendants are "big endian". >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Paul Gilmartin < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:18:03 -0600, Joel C. Ewing wrote: >>>> >>>> It's cultural. Consider how Europeans write dates. >>>> https://xkcd.com/1179/ >>>> >>>> And significance is subjective. About 10 years ago, I asked an >>>> astronomer, "When is the equinox on Saturn?" >>>> "Nine fourteen." (orally) >>>> >>>> September 14th seemed too soon until I pondered and realized she >>>> meant, "September, 2014." >>>> >>>> In Boulder, CO, in the '60s (some century), all local phone numbers >>>> were (303)442-xxx or (303)443-xxxx. People routinely exchanged >>>> phone numbers (orally) by only the last 5 digits. The first 5 were, >>>> if not insignificant, inconsequential. >>>> >>>> Computer science professor W.M. Waite used to say, "Top of memory," >>>> pointing to the floor, and "Bottom of memory", pointing to the >>>> ceiling. >>>> >>> Same in other books I've seen. Why? Probably because we write from >>> top to bottom. We write the lowest first, at the top, and the highest >>> last, at the bottom. And then we confuse everybody by calling them >>> "ascending" memory addresses while writing them in a descending >>> pattern. English is a _stupid_ language. >>> >>> >>> >>>> -- gil >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> "Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is >>> ancient. It's called 'rain'." -- Michael McClary, in alt.fusion >>> >>> Maranatha! <>< >>> John McKown > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
