I don't agree about SSX/VSE.  I worked on that system at a small ISV in the 
80's and It was a pretty nifty system for its time.  Ran on low-power 4331' s 
with 3310 FBA DASD, all system maintenance was via ICCF (the VSE equivalent of 
ISPF) menus and canned jobs, and it worked like a charm for us.  We were able 
to set up our own software product maintenance and configuration as ICCF menus 
and the few SSX/VSE clients we had loved it.  It was actually fun to work on.

The hardest part was getting used to FBA file allocation parameters (blocks, 
not tracks!).

ISTR that the sales folk liked using the SSX/VSE system for demos while we had 
it in house because it made everything look easy.

Sometimes good ideas get abandoned too soon.

Peter

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Oh the great failed examples of VM/IS 4 & 5, took IBM 2 releases to figure
this was a disaster. Also SSX/VSE.  All thought they could have an
administrator install and maintain the system.  I can't recall the number
of times I was on the CritSit Desk for VM/IS 4.

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