Jerry Callen [email protected] via <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1311182?hl=en-GB> ua.edu 13:38 (34 minutes ago) to IBM-MAIN On Sun, Sep 2, 2018, 9:56 AM Bruce Armstrong <[email protected]> wrote:
> If you know what ISPF is and are happy with it ....you may not be the > target market for Zowe. Zowe is primarily targeted for the "next gen" > sysprog who does not have 30+ years of learning the the nuances of > z/OS and ISPF. Or - maybe you are the target market, but don't yet know it. I *DO* have many years of experience with z/OS -- I learned to program in PL/I and assembler on OS/MVT in the early 1970s and was a systems programmer through the mid 1980s. I've worked on more modern z/OS systems for the past 4 years. I also have many years of experience with both Unix and Windows systems. It's that experience that makes me so excited about the potential of Zowe. It's providing a framework for bringing highly-evolved system management tools of all kinds to z/OS. This will ultimately make the systems programmer's job easier. That's not a bad thing. "...it's time for established z/OS programmers to start adopting tools and practices from other platforms, too." Well said, Jerry! ...and I'm glad I'm retiring soon... :) On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 at 14:10, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree that programmers should adopt tools from other platforms, but only > when they are appropriate tools for the job at hand, not simply because > they are in style. A good hammer is an essential tool, but it's a terrible > screwdriver. > > When it comes to configuration control and serialization tools, the > infrastructure had better match the tool set or chaos will result. I'd > advise looking at things on a project by project basis and concentrate on > selecting appropriate tools for new projects rather than making disruptive > changes to old projects. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf > of Jerry Callen <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 8:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Zowe for systems programmer ? > > On Sun, Sep 2, 2018, 9:56 AM Bruce Armstrong <[email protected]> wrote: > > > If you know what ISPF is and are happy with it ....you may not be the > > target market for Zowe. Zowe is primarily targeted for the "next gen" > > sysprog who does not have 30+ years of learning the the nuances of > > z/OS and ISPF. > > Or - maybe you are the target market, but don't yet know it. > > I *DO* have many years of experience with z/OS -- I learned to program in > PL/I and assembler on OS/MVT in the early 1970s and was a systems > programmer through the mid 1980s. I've worked on more modern z/OS systems > for the past 4 years. > > I also have many years of experience with both Unix and Windows systems. > It's that experience that makes me so excited about the potential of Zowe. > It's providing a framework for bringing highly-evolved system management > tools of all kinds to z/OS. This will ultimately make the systems > programmer's job easier. That's not a bad thing. > > It's not just that the "next gen" programmers need to learn z/OS -- it's > time for established z/OS programmers to start adopting tools and practices > from other platforms, too. > > -- Jerry > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
