Yes discussions have been initiated đŸ˜€ On Sat, Nov 30, 2019, 11:59 PM Parwez Hamid <[email protected]> wrote:
> Have you actually asked IBM how they can help meet your out of country DR > requirements? > > The CoD offering has been around since the G3 Servers. Started life as EBU > (Emergency Backup), later became CBU and got further enhanced with CIU. CPE > etc etc. All these changes/evolution were driven by customer requirements. > So if the current offerings don't meet your requirements, no harm in asking > IBM. > > Regards > > Parwez Hamid​ > > ________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf > of Laurence Chiu <[email protected]> > Sent: 29 November 2019 20:02 > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: OOCoD experiences? > > Understand that. But IBM should recognize that some organisations might > want an out of region DR site and not want to buy a mainframe with half > their production MIPS that's hardly ever going to be used. CBU is fine in > country but for some reason but outside country. > > After all their DS8K Copy Services Manager provides replication support > with Global Mirror. > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019, 9:40 AM Parwez Hamid <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > The reason for the CBU capability to upgrade to any capacity with the > > limits of the physical installed capacity is to enable customers to 'CBU' > > multiple systems e.g. Customer might have 3 systems and only one DR > system. > > As long as the DR system has sufficient capacity, they have the > possibility > > of bringing up all LPARs on the 3 systems. Normally when customers plan > for > > DR they tend to do so for critical and important business workload. Sys > > progs sandpits and test systems tend to get the chop. Again it all > depends > > on the 'nature' of the disaster at the primary DC. > > > > On/Off CoD is generally meant to cater for 'peak' or unexpected workloads > > e.g. month/qtr/year end processing or even sales on a Black Friday :-0 > > Hence the limit of 2 times of the purchased capacity. > > > > Regards > > > > Parwez Hamid​ > > > > ________________________________ > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on behalf > > of Laurence Chiu <[email protected]> > > Sent: 28 November 2019 18:48 > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: OOCoD experiences? > > > > Thanks. I looked at the IBM documentation > > > > > > > https://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=isg28c04fa949ae402ed85258194006c7b9b&aid=1 > > > > Not an easy read by any means and it seems the 72 hours limit on CPE > won't > > work for our environment. > > > > So the only option appears to be OOCoD. > > > > Interesting for CBU you can upgrade from a base machine to any model so > > long as it does not require adding more hardware but for OOCoD you can > only > > go up 100% > > > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2019, 12:49 AM Parwez Hamid <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Adding my 2 cents worth: > > > > > > Within the Capcity on Demand (CoD) offering for Z, there are a number > of > > > options available for different types of situations. Some have already > > been > > > mentioned. A couple of useful docs: > > > > > > 1. IBM Redbook. Capacity on Demand SG24-7504. Almost 10 years old. > > > Apart from some 'enhancements' to the offering (mainly to do with > > > pricing/maintenance charges and entitlement to carry foward 'options' > > when > > > upgrading to a newer Z system) and adding of the System Recovery Boost > > > (SRB) option for the z15, the main content is still relevant. > > > 2. zSystem Capacity On Demand User’s Guide - SC28-6943 > > > > > > All the CoD options i.e. CBU, CIU, CPE, On/Off CoD and SRB have T&Cs. > Key > > > point about the contracts is that some may be localised for an > individual > > > country. In addition, different CoD records have different time > > > limits/expiration dates. > > > > > > Some additional points: > > > > > > 1. Its a given that to activate the additional capacity, the > physical > > > resource is already available in the system. > > > 2. CPE has been mentioned. CPE is temporary access to capacity > > intended > > > to replace capacity lost within the enterprise due to a planned event > > such > > > as a facility upgrade or system relocation. CPE is similar to CBU in > that > > > it is intended to replace lost capacity; however, it differs in its > scope > > > and intent. Where CBU addresses disaster recovery scenarios that can > take > > > up to three months to remedy, CPE is intended for short-duration events > > > lasting up to three days, maximum. > > > 3. On/Off CoD. On/Off CoD is available for up to twice the > ‘purchased’ > > > capacity of a given machine. On/Off CoD upgrades are allowed for any > > > processor configuration, up to the limit, as long as the number or > > capacity > > > level of the processors is increased. Upgrades that decrease the > number > > or > > > the capacity level of processors is not allowed. > > > > > > In his response below, Tim mentions Instant Recovery. This is the same > as > > > System Recovery Boost (SRB). A few poinst about this option: > > > > > > 1. The name can be bit mis-leading. The 'instant' applies to the > > > capability of ACTIVATING additional CAPACITY during/after an IPL - > > planned > > > or unplanned.. > > > 2. This is limited to a short duration i.e. minutes/hours rather > than > > > days! > > > 3. Some the documentation states 'speed'. Remember, this refers to > the > > > 'speed' of bringing down/up of the OS and sub-systems. This is done by > > > ACTIVATING ADDITIONAL capacity and not by changing the GHz of the > > processor. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Parwez Hamid​ > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> on > behalf > > > of Timothy Sipples <[email protected]> > > > Sent: 28 November 2019 09:14 > > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: OOCoD experiences? > > > > > > Jerry Whitteridge wrote: > > > >We looked at this before I moved to IBM and had > > > >to rule it out as the Hardware side only bills you > > > >for the Capacity by the day activated (e.g. Use OOCoD > > > >for 7 days and get charged for the 7 days at higher > > > >capacity) BUT software is billed by the month so you > > > >get the full month at the higher capacity even if you > > > >only turned on OOCoD for an hour. > > > > > > First of all, what you describe was never true, not the way you > describe > > it > > > anyway. > > > > > > 1. Sub-capacity Monthly License Charge (MLC) IBM software was/is based > on > > > the monthly peak *four* hour rolling average (4HRA). A *one hour* OOCoD > > > activation is not four hours, so it was/is mathematically impossible > for > > > your MLC to report a 4HRA equal to or even particularly near the total > > MSU > > > capacity inclusive of the one hour OOCoD activation. > > > > > > 2. "One-Time Charge" (OTC) IBM software, a.k.a. IPLA software, allows > > daily > > > OOCoD pricing -- "per MSU day." > > > > > > 3. You were/are also allowed to set softcapping on machines across > OOCoD > > > activation(s), and with some potential "white space" (free) capacity > > > utilization. Sub-capacity reports will never report above the > softcap(s). > > > > > > Laurence Chiu wrote: > > > > > > >I think there might be a software deal in the mix also based > > > >on Tailor Fit Pricing but it's good to know all the ramifications. > > > > > > Yes, that's right. With Tailored Fit Pricing peak MSUs (4HRA or > > otherwise) > > > no longer matter as such. > > > > > > There's also now Instant Recovery on IBM z15 machines, with z/OS System > > > Recovery Boost. There is no software reported capacity associated with > > > legal/valid z/OS System Recovery Boost(s). > > > > > > >CBU won't work because the site is out of country. > > > > > > Does your workload qualify for Capacity for Planned Events (CPE), and > are > > > CPE's T&C compatible with cross-border requirements? > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Timothy Sipples > > > IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > E-Mail: [email protected] > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
