Thanks. Again, one is never too old to learn, even at 98.5% of one's mainframe career.
Kees. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: 05 December 2019 19:49 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Misuse of the word hexadecimnal (Was RE: COPYING PDS TO PDS ...) The industry has long been afflicted by people slinging around words whose meanings they don't know. "Hexadecimal value" is just the tip of the iceberg. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 1:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Misuse of the word hexadecimnal (Was RE: COPYING PDS TO PDS ...) "Hexadecimal" might be the most misused word in our industry. "Any hexadecimal character" -- umm, can you give me an example of a non-hexadecimal character? Is x'C1' a hexadecimal character? Sure looks like hex to me. Hexadecimal is a *method of representation*. If I have a byte that contains b'0101 1010' that is kind of a tedious way of writing it. The industry formerly used octal and wrote it as 0132 but that is kind of tedious and maps poorly to 8-bit (as opposed to 6-bit) characters. x'5A' conveys it fairly well. That method of conveyance is called hexadecimal. The byte is not hexadecimal: it's the same byte as it was when I wrote it as b'0101 1010'. "Non-printable" (or sometimes non-alphanumeric/national) is the word people are looking for. No byte is hexadecimal. All byte values may be represented in hexadecimal. Charles -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 9:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: COPYING PDS TO PDS ... On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 07:18:11 +0000, Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM wrote: >Jeez Gil, > >There is nothing restrictive to 'hexadecimal', only to 'any' or 'some'. >Between quotes you can put *any* hex char in a dsname, without quotes you can >use only the *alphanumeric* hex chars. (And you *can* of course use all 256, >if you accept JCL errors). > What meaning does "hexadecimal" add in "any hexadecimal character" Is it any different from "any character"? If not, "hexadecimal" is a noise word. I'm similarly perplexed by IBM's frequent usage, as in: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.ieaa200/ENQ_Description.htm ... The name can contain any valid hexadecimal character. ... I visualize a Venn diagram: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1PM-B8kCix2WWZn6q1Vh6voOtKz7viyNw8ESZv-Aq5bojVqDLWvaBjXct5iS4oPcA185iDTfCohjIpNC-fWu8MvNQ0vJb5vItF7ZlPeUEeOIB_Rk1NSMnlSUEcA2ycq7v_x-IB6Ou1uCNNaqzvU_lVHbpYViDMTc7pkBR2V-1ariNB4Q62_cBw66z81wq3M6ETjSNnfRZAbUlNIIg1OgbAvGUWqoQRoVC2oTzmuA-eyYSLt1cxQ-kAgQ9_PqPzxBRQkSnnsVenuXrRUUtLtCiiHJBcoFCfQNaFbnOtqcbQ6Tkes8JvhUlI6P0hwD7aV_YXZjF5S-S5W3uDJ8rdQt87UuMoClaZNHuXjQQtJ1aYAPCa3_4I9TdNxiI-849oi9iSR1kTPUvE4Qh3HbS8welLlsRUUjX6vKhC7yVjGDx8i53KFggUxCu4tLCItjAHHaP/https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FVenn_diagram where invalid hexadecimal characters and valid non-hexadecimal characters are prohibited. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ******************************************************** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ******************************************************** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
