I am working for a large gov't client. We worked *LONG* and *HARD* on the z/series business case - over 1 year. This included a successful POC showing that the platform (Oracle on linux on the mainframe using z/vm) would work - not performance - but feasible. The result is a nascent z9/ec with 130+ Oracle servers - with lots more work (Oracle and other apps) planned. Believe me its my pride and joy after my charming children, of course. The customer really likes it, too. We're saving a lot money on Oracle licenses, we support z/VM with 2 sysprogs, and 100+ servers with one linux guy (well, now it's 2). DBAs for Oracle were a wash. Disaster recovery was a huge win - as in z/series does it easily while other platforms - well, just can't get it rolling at DR.

IBM was the focal point for this, plus, one person from IBM championed the solution for 18 months. Lesser mortals would have abandoned the project at the first turbulent meeting. Winning hearts and minds took a lot of effort. There are still doubters, but, it's tough to argue with success.

I'm not suggesting that our issues are the same as the issues that Steve has dealt with.
David
McKown, John wrote:

No, it isn't a "no brainer". I know. Previous management here had "no
brains". They always chose Windows. Regardless of what was said or done
or needed.


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        From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
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        Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:19 PM
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        So counter propose a zSeries based solution - say using Linux in
an IFL and DB/2 with some kind of Client/Server application. IBM has
some GREAT support for that now.
        Also talk to people like Dave Rivers (SYS/ASM)  and Dave Bond
(TACHYON) , both of whom frequent this list. They both have assembler
products that run just dandy under Linux/390 on the mainframe. Faster
than greased lightening too.
        And remember, that if you can come in with a proposal that
preseves the legacy systems, satifies the Windows crowd who don't know
anything about non-Windows platforms, and do it cheaper, faster, and
better... well - that is a no-brainer for anyone.
        -Paul


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