Apparently VTAM support is not very costly - maybe to us it is, but not to them. :-)
Regards, Richard Schuh -----Original Message----- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 8:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels >The answer is Yes. That was the answer, sure. But where's the supporting documentation. "Yes Virginia, there really is a Santa Claus". But *I* want proof/supporting doc (**and** a pony!). Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. "Stracka, James (GTI)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "The IBM z/VM Operating System" <[email protected]> 01/12/2007 10:37 AM Please respond to "The IBM z/VM Operating System" <[email protected]> To [email protected] cc Subject Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels To answer your question, "does it REALLY cost IBM anything significant to support a stable application?" The answer is Yes. Just look at IBM cancelling VSE/VSAM support on VM since there have been no changes to it since Y2K. -----Original Message----- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Walter Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 11:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels Hear, hear, good Sir! I gave IBMLink 2000 several tries over those seven, usually because there was publication of a shiny new release. Even after spending the usual time making a sincere effort to get acquainted with the changes between releases and the differences between greenscreen, it was frustrating because you had to know the magic incantations and just where to hover the pointer to actually find anything. Or you had to have previous knowledge of what seems to be IBM "inside information" (ala a previous note that you should know what you want to order before you try to order it - and you must know EXACTLY the right keywords to place such an order). It seems that the younger IBM employees to which Chuckie refers as having no 3270 expertise must have a significant experience with PC gaming apps, because that's what I felt like I was being forced to use. I never did like "Adventure", feeling that after the first 5 minutes it was a complete waste of time to search blindly for tools I needed to solve a problem. The point is we are customers. We should not need to know IBM-internal buzzwords, and certainly when trying to place an order we should be able to do so swiftly, selecting from a menu of products or service. Does one go into a restaurant that has no menus and keep asking "Do you have toast? No? Do you have hamburgers? No? Do you have steamed Brussel spouts? No? Good! Do you have something smaller than a breadbox?" Do I hear Jack Nicholson in the background trying to order plain toast without butter. Argggghhh! The other point is: does it REALLY cost IBM anything significant to support a stable application? Perhaps just "functionally stabilizing" it, and telling us we have to look for new features in IBMLink 2000 would suffice. We could continue to use the legacy (i.e "productive") tool for what we've always used it for, and get familiar with IBMLink (and report feature failures if it actually helps) for new features. Mike Walter Information Technology Services Hewitt Associates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: +(847) 771-9233 Main: +(847) 295-5000 http://www.hewitt.com "Stracka, James (GTI)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: "The IBM z/VM Operating System" <[email protected]> 01/12/2007 09:24 AM Please respond to "The IBM z/VM Operating System" <[email protected]> To [email protected] cc Subject Re: IBMLink 2000 Finding ESO levels After seven years you would think that they might have a hint that so many of us did not transition because IBMLink 2000 was so bloody awful. > At least the two versions were side-by-side for seven years so that you > could transition to the new one at your own pace. :-) > > Alan Altmark > z/VM Development > IBM Endicott -------------------------------------------------------- If you are not an intended recipient of this e-mail, please notify the sender, delete it and do not read, act upon, print, disclose, copy, retain or redistribute it. 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