> We still use it.  Not for anything new, mind you.  But spending
> the money  to convert unsupported applications from ISPF to
> "something else" would likely be more expensive in the long run.

And IBM probably knows that, so there is no motivation for them to
lower the cost for us long time VM shops.

Now I wish I hadn't created so many cool utilities for the programming
staff over the years using Dialog Manager  :(   Isn't that a sad way
of thinking....

I guess the other thing I "could" do is call in all on the minor issues
that we have lived with over the years and insist on getting fixes. Then
I could feel like I am "getting my money's worth" for the maintenance
fees.
But that just goes against my nature and would be so counter productive
for both Illinois Mutual and IBM.

Anyway, I've vented a bit and feel a little better.  No comments on the
fact
that I don't look any better though   :)

Ed Zell
(309) 674-8255 x-107
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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