Hi Shimon The SNA website (Sine Nomine Associates, not SNA/VTAM), might solve half the problem, that is how to distribute the document. But, SNA is more of a Linux oriented company. Yes, there also has some VM related stuff. But I don't think that a VM shop without Linux, would really come to or know about this site.
The paper or whatever, is directly a VM related problem. The other host involved, might be Linux, VSE, z/OS, or another VM system. The SNA site might be a good start. Part of my question to all, is there a VM oriented site for documentation and other practices? VSE has one. Linux has many. VM has a download area for tools, but I don't see anything there for just documentation. And there are other sites that has presentations. I don't mind writting something about one idiots view/problem/solution, but in many aspects, I don't know what I'm talking about. I can talk about what a P2P connection looked like and reasons and whys there were coded a certain way, but I have not knowledge of the RFC (?) or the tangents off of the RFC that were taken to support mainframe channels back in the old days. But on the other side, I doubt that there are many system programmers that would have any knowledge or interest in the RFC world. As we wear so many hats (have different functions to do), that in many cases, all we want to know, is what we need to know. If there is sufficent interest, I don't mind writting something, based on what I have experienced. I do suspect that sufficient enought people on the VM listserv have followed this topic, that as others hit it and pose questions on the listserv, that they would be immediately directed to either the archives, to me, or to someone else that has been dumbed down to my level of understanding. When I mean dumb down, I mean: There are the IP gurus out there. They had the Cisco router training. They may be able to cite the RFC specs. And they may have loads of experience in large, well designed, IP networks. (In this case, I'm thinking of Alan Altmark.) I've met Alan at several conferences. Most of the times that he has been out to St. Louis, I've been there. Durning the email exchanges last week, I could see his face, as he smiles, turns his head sideways, then down as he realized I didn't get what he was trying to explain, and, as he tries to figure out how I took his message, and tries to dumb it down again to the next level. He was trying to come down to a common frame of reference. Eventually, we found that we were on two different syntax bases. My syntax base, only needed one IP address, no subnets, no host entries, no routers, no broadcasts, and it worked prior to z/VM 5.2. And because it was simple and worked, I boxed myself into a corner with a "not well designed" network. So a "dumb down person" is one that understands there was "another" way of coding P2P networks. It doesn't follow current RFC specs, if it ever did. As I've said in other posts, I've given the network types my TCPIP config file and they would just stare at it and question if it ever worked. Until z/VM 5.2, it always worked. <G> Then they would shake there head and leave, muttering something about mainframes. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1/21/2007 10:19 AM >>> On 19 Jan 2007 at 12:38, Tom Duerbusch wrote: > > I'm not thinking of something as formal as a manual, or even a Redbook. > Perhaps something a little more than the foils of some presentation. > (Usually a presentation doesn't happen at the right time, and the right > time here is prior to a conversion to z/VM 5.2.) And it has to be able to > be accessible to everyone "at need". We have sample code in the VM > download area. But nothing like a HOW-TO area for VM related topics. > This reminds me of the problems I had getting multiple ESCON CTCs set up between systems and partitions. I got help here and got it to work, but I found the documentation unclear, to put it mildly. At the time, I sat down and wrote a sort of 'cookbook' approach to what I wanted, and how I got it, and David Boyes generously volunteered to set ut up as a pdf document on SNA's website. Maybe you could write up a similar kind of doc? Now that you know what you were looking for but didn't find, it should be easier to write it. What do you think? :-) Shimon -- ********************************************************************** ** Shimon Lebowitz mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] VM System Programmer . Israel Police National HQ. http://www.poboxes.com/shimonpgp Jerusalem, Israel phone: +972 2 542-9877 fax: 542-9308 ********************************************************************** **
