Hello Thomas,

I don't like to see any of them removed. The download directory comes wit
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a clear disclamer. Use at your own risk, IBM doesn't support any of the 

materials found there.

In our procedures we document the utility and the workaround when it 
doesn't work anymore. Usually it means we need to do a task manualy or 

using a different tool. Take PIPEDDR for instance. When it can't be used 

anymore we must fall back to the old tape DDR to move data from one VM to
 
another. But as long as it works we keep on using the PIPEDDR.

We also used MOVESEG some time ago. But after migrating to zVM it did not
 
work anymore. So we moved to using DCSSBKUP/DCSSRSAV from the CMS 
utilities. So we did have a workaround for this utility. And the CMS 
utilities are supported by IBM.

I agree that source codes could help us. But to remove a utility when 
someone leaves the mainframe world could mean we lose a lot of usefull 

utilities.

The same is true for other materials found on the web. Take the PIPELINE 

runtime library for instance. While it is not supported by IBM it does 

provide us with functionality we do not have with the IBM supplied 
materials. IBM even links to the materials from the downloads page. But 

once again, one must be aware of the risks and make sure some work around
 
does exist before using a utility.

Regards, Berry.

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:44:11 -0500, Thomas Kern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

wrote:

>It would help if IBM released the source code to these programs when the
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>internal support retires. Or remove them from the public offering.

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