Re: OT: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box

Tue, 19 Jun 2007 14:22:06 -0700 

Hi, Mace.
I really don't know what the problem is, as IBM has not been very forthcoming, at least imho, to the PWD membership. There have been no new Flex-ES licenses granted since the end of last year, and sites are already seeing their Flex boxes die as the dongle thingie expires..... The only recourse that IBM is offering at the moment is to purchase time on their Dallas development center site. Not a lot of folks are going for that, however. 


IBM *may* be trying to prepare the way clear to offer it's own small 
mainframe that is based on emulation. They already have released 
internally a z Series emulation tool (that is not Flex-ES and is not 
Hercules) that runs on both Intel and p Series boxes. This is pure 
speculation on my part, btw......



Or IBM *may* have just decided that the small PWD guys (the ISVs other 
than CA, BMC and maybe Neon) just aren't worth the bother and don't 
bring enough to the marketplace to justify IBM's continued support. In 
which case the small-ish zSeries ISV is simply SOL. Again, this is pure 
speculation on my part....



The longer this drags out with a resolution from IBM, the least 
satisfactory the outcome will be, I think.


Macioce, Larry wrote:

Why and what do you (as in the VM community) feel the problem is?

Thanks
Mace

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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dave Jones
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:17 PM
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Subject: Re: OT: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box

No, I do not....

Macioce, Larry wrote:

Does anyone think that IBM and FLEX will resolve their issues?  I know
of a company getting ready to get rid of their 800(going to windoze
boxes) and I was going to suggest the FLEX solution but with all the
problems I can't do it.

Thanks
Mace
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On

Behalf Of Mike Hammock
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 3:01 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Installing z/VM 5.3 on Flex-ES box

FLEX-ES version 7.0.7  does have the support necessary to install
directly
from a DVD (with no FTP session involvement) on a FLEX-ES system.
I have a procedure available which will load the zVM  5 CP Nucleus and
ramdisk  into memory and initiate the install process.  I have used

this

procedure to install zVM 5.2 on a  zFrame system and I suspect it will
work
for 5.3, but of course I don't have a copy of that to try yet.

So, any PWD customer with Version 7.0.7 of FLEX-ES can (probably)
install
zVM 5.3 directly from DVD.   Note that this is a fairly small
'community'....

- It will only work for PWD customers (since 64 bit support is

required

for
zVM 5 and that is only available to PWD users).
- It will only work for Version 7.0.7 and relatively few PWD customers
are
on that release.  Most PWD customers are on Ver 6.  And, before you

ask,

FSI will/can  not upgrade Ver 6 PWD users to Ver 7.

If you are a PWD customer running FLEX-ES ver 7.0.7, send me an email
and
I'll send you the procedure for installing zVM from DVD.

If you are a PWD customer running FLEX-ES  ver 7.0.x   (x being
something
less than '7')  contact your reseller about getting a refresh to

7.0.7.

Once you get that installed,  contact me for the zVM DVD install
procedure.

Please.. (PLEASE!) don't ask for the procedure or to get your FLEX
version
upgrade unless you are really going to use it.   Getting and

installing

the
upgrade takes time and effort...

Mike

C. M. (Mike) Hammock
Sr. Technical Support
zFrame & IBM zSeries Solutions
(404) 643-3258
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So, I presume we're going to want z/VM 5.3 on our Flex box when it's
available.

We *do* have a deskside 3480/3490 drive, so we can use that if we
must.  But it's slow and kind of cranky.

I was wondering whether it ought to be possible, instead, to do a DVD
install.  As I understand it, on a real zSeries (do I mean System Z?
I get confused) box, all that basically does is start an FTP server
on the HMC and then allow the installing VM instance to FTP stuff

over.

The Flex box has (or can trivially have) an FTP server on it.  It
would be a whole lot less unpleasant to just mount the DVD (or copy
the files off the DVD onto the Flex host) than it would to deal with
real magtape.  Is this likely to work?

Adam



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