Thanks, Mike. Something that's supported and will likely continue to be
supported in the future tends to get managements attention.

Brent Litster
Zions Management Services Company
2185 South 3270 West
West Valley City  84119
(801) 844-5545
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-----Original Message-----
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 11:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Backup CMS files

While CA's VM:Backup or Syback (and maybe CA's VM:Tape tape management 
system) and IBM's IBM Backup and Restore Manager (and maybe IBM Tape 
Manager) are IMHO the de facto backup solutions for z/VM (like FDR and 
IBM's DFwhatever solution for z/OS), there are other less palatable 
options for backing up CMS files from z/VM.

Those less palatable solutions would include home-grown tools using the 
TAPE DUMP and TAPE LOAD commands.  But as someone wrote on this very
list 
recently: there be dragons there. 

Consider that you are backing up the VM volumes (both the CMS file
systems 
files, as well as CP-owned areas) in a manner required to provide a 
reliable, stable backup.  I.e. something that is working WITH the CMS
file 
systems, not something running from another system while VM is running
and 
potentially changing those files while the system backing them up is 
unaware of VM's in-flight file changes. 

You run backups to be 100% certain that your system can be recovered if 
something goes wrong (be it hardware failure, software failure, or human

error -- oops didn't mean to erase/replace/change *THAT* file!!).
Relying 
on home-grown, unsupported tools is probably not something anyone wants
to 
do when considering a long-term career.  :-)

Mike Walter 
Hewitt Associates 
Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily 
represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates.



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Backup CMS files






Hello all. We are a new z/VM 5.2 shop. We are in the process of
"hardenin
g" 
our z/VM environment prior to installing our first production system. We


want to have a good backup/restore process in place where we can backup 

minidisks/CMS files with the ability to restore any 1 or more individual


files if we need to. What is everyone out there using? We have heard 
of "Amanda" and Bacula". Is there a product used by a large number of
sho
ps 
like FDR for z/OS? We are a z/OS 1.7 shop with 1 lpar running z/VM 5.2
an
d 
it is this z/VM environment we are concerned about.
Thanks,
Brent Litster
Zions Management Services Company
Salt Lake City




 
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