Most systems programmer function are in ICCF, and in my shop (Kinda Small) all of our production JCL. ICCF just runs in it's own CICS. So we need VTAM no matter what right now.
We also have a TOR and two other production CICS's running in prod connected together by VTAM. At least on VSE I could see VTAM just merging into the cost of the license just like RSCS has in z/VM 5.3. On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 13:51 -0500, McKown, John wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch > > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 1:35 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: VTAM on an IFL? > > > > Interesting question. > > > > I was trying to explain VTAM to a relatively newbe a couple weeks ago. > > > > And I did come to the conclusion that since there are no new > > SNA hardware anymore, not only VTAM should be sunsetted, but > > we need to play to get rid of VTAM in the next few years. > > > > The problem still remains, that CICS takes to VTAM. CICS > > doesn't talk directly with IP terminals (like can be done > > with VM). So, until there is an IBM supplied solution, VTAM > > still needs to be supported and available in the VSE world. > > That is, until we are forced to send all of our screens thru > > a browser. > > > > Tom Duerbusch > > The same applies to z/OS, but even worse in that TSO is required to > really do anything at least as far as "system maintenance" is required. > I don't know about VSE, but in z/OS, even with TCP/IP, it is VTAM which > is doing the actual I/O to the IP devices (well, at least with OSA > devices). Who designed this? As an "amusement", I've been trying to see > how much work I can do using z/OS's UNIX shell instead of TSO. The > answer is: "Not really very much." > > As far as CICS is concerned, I can almost envision a TN3270 server > "built in" to CICS. Or perhaps a BMS/IP where BMS supports IP terminals > "directly" somehow. Of course, this will not be implemented by IBM > without a business case. > > Is ICCF available via IP? Or is it even necessary? I'm not very VSE > literate. > > -- > John McKown > Senior Systems Programmer > HealthMarkets > Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage > Administrative Services Group > Information Technology > > The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged > and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are > not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, > reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is > strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal > offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the > sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing > it. Zachary Jones Operations Systems Analyst Northrop Grumman at City Of Grand Rapids, Michigan Office phone: 616-456-3456
