Well said David As you know I/We have been at a Site where IBM had put 3 z9's in a OIT shop but instead of helping utilize the z9 and IFL's and the 3 z/VM's running there, they were selling System P's to another part of OIT as fast as they could and this was the same IBM rep/team. I sat in on one of the "Virtulization on System P" presentations and it was very funny but very frustrating. They refused to do one for System Z when I requested it. David Kreuter had even come in years before (2004 and 2005) and presented the Cost Effectiveness of LINUX on System Z and Management was listening then Management changed and they started to listen to IBM and the were pushing System P's. O Well I work at a much better place now, and I have calmed down a bit. ;-)
Bill Munson Brown Brothers Harriman Sr. z/VM Systems Programmer 201-418-7588 President MVMUA http://www2.marist.edu/~mvmua/ David Kreuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System <[email protected]> 12/09/2008 05:28 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System <[email protected]> To [email protected] cc Subject Re: z/VM Linux Cost effectiveness Maybe, it depends on IBM sending you a guy with system z smarts and exposure or a P guy. IBM is a two headed beast when it comes to selling virtualization solutions. I've spoken with many an IBMer right up to the executive level about this problem. Put a floor on the System z market and a ceiling on the "P" solution wouldya please already??? I have had clients put IBM on ice as they get confused with dual messages and competing technologies from the same vendor. Quoting, sort of more or less "HP comes in and sells 1 solution ... windows comes in and sells 1 solution ... IBM comes in sells multiple solutions and there is tension between P team and Z team. " sometimes IBM guys outsmart themselves thinking if they abandon system z it will automatically go to P series. WRONG. But we can be in denial all we want about P, it's memory is a lot cheaper than system z memory. That is why you must build a strong business case including TCO to have system z work, and then you have to revisit the biz case, all the time. The threat is real. Please, IBM, niche market all you like but stop competing with yourselves in front of the customer. It hurts. Ouch. David Kreuter (in no mood today or ever to be blindsided by P series - again -) From: The IBM z/VM Operating System on behalf of Huegel, Thomas Sent: Tue 12/9/2008 3:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IBMVM] z/VM Linux Cost effectiveness Contact your IBM z/sales person (I know they are harder to find than hens teeth now days) if you can find a good one they will be able to provide you with many studies on the subject. Maybe the most compelling of all is IBM's green effort. IBM itself expects to save a billion dollars by moving the 'rack' server aps to "Z". -----Original Message----- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steve Mitchell Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 1:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: z/VM Linux Cost effectiveness Having been a technician my entire career I don't posses much knowledge of the intricacies of the budgeting process. Here in short is what I've been tasked with: The support of our linux guests was moved to the UNIX (AIX) Admin group last year about this time. They are now suggesting we move all the linux work to AIX because its 'cheaper' and 'more reliable'. I've found and collected the conversation earlier this year regarding a 'costing method' for linux guest vs Intel servers, so I have that as a starting point. If anyone has experience with the pros/cons of AIX vs z/VM/LINUX I would appreciate any information you can share. Aside from that any other 'food for thought' you can provide is greatly appreciated. Our environment is essentially WebShpere App server and MQ, accessing DB2 data on z/OS. Yes, we are using Hipersocket connectivity to z/OS from Linux. Thanks. Steve Mitchell Sr Systems Software Specialist Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas (785) 291-8885 'There are no degrees of Honesty-you're either Honest or you're not! CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential, trade secret or privileged information. Any unauthorized review use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited and may be a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering this message to an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. *************************** IMPORTANT NOTE***************************** The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates ("BBH"). There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus. ************************************************************************
