Been there - done that.  We had some problems setting up DIRMAINT and RACF in 
a three lpar environment.  Back to the question of the need for NEEDPASS.  What 
about the possibility of having an option in DIRMAINT to allow RACF (shot self 
in foot) to control things.


Paul Feller
AIT Mainframe Technical Support



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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of Lionel B. Dyck
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2009 10:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Setting DIRM NEEDPASS NO in a LOGONBY user

Jim said:

=========
I think whether NEEDPASS YES is still needed is an "it depends" and
should be left to the customer.  What is needed, however, is a
re-engineering or a redesign or rethinking of how and where it is
defined in DIRMAINT.  In talking to some developer in Endicott (don't
remember who), what came thru is that from the developer standpoint,
they know the product and definition tables so well that it is not
apparent to them how totally confusing DIRMAINT is from a setup or
installation standpoint.  Coupling the confusion of DIRMAINT with RACF
takes the confusion factor to a whole new dimension.   Take some  VM
sysprog from off the street who doesn't live with DIRMAINT every day and
have them install it and take note of the questions and problems they
encounter.
=========

Better yet go to a new z/VM shop that has z/VM just to support virtualized 
Linux and watch as they attempt to get dirmaint and racf installed and 
configured and then begin to use it. It isn't pretty.

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