OK then, here's the result of the "harder" test....
Following the specified:
CP SYSTEM RESET, CP SET MACH ESA, CP TERM CONMODE 3270, and CP REDEFINE
009 _to_console_in_SYSTEM_CONFIG
IPL F00 LOADPARM CONSSYSC
a very brief set of normal IPL messages display, followed by a screen
clear and the expected wait state 915 (in this case, the other sysres
volume is not mounted).
While still in TERM CONMODE 3270 ...
IPL F00 LOADPARM CONSSYSG, and just to push it... repeated IPL F00
LOADPARM with each of: SYSC, SYSG, & even: GOOFY
that same very brief set of normal IPL messages display, followed by a
screen clear and the expected wait state 915 (in this case, the other
sysres volume is not mounted).
These were the same messages that appeared VERY briefly above when in
CONMODE 3270 before that Wait State 915
Following CP TERM CONMODE 3215 ...
CP IPL F00 LOADPARM ABCD (not one of our old console addresses), and just
to push it... LOADPARM any of SYSC, SYSG, & even: GOOFY
that same set of messages displayed as in my previous post, and very
briefly in the CONMODE 3270 (normal IPL messages, followed by the WAIT
STATE 915, without a screen clear).
Keep in mind that it *IS* VM/ESA 2.4.0 we're talking about at this point.
But it does seem that these test have confirmed Kris' initial belief: no
SYSC (nor SYSG) support way back in VM/ESA 2.4.0.
BTW, the "z/VM Migration Guide" (an excellent reference for historical
questions) shows that major 'console' features were added at z/VM:
4.4 - Integrated 3270 Console ("SYSTEM_3270" added to "SYSTEM CONFIG")
5.1 - OSA-Express Integrated Console Controller support
5.3 - Guest ASCII Console support
Mike Walter
Hewitt Associates
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Ough, my test was a bit too easy. I bet
i f00 loadparm abcd
would have done the same thing: the loadparm is ignored, and
SYSTEM_CONSOLE is in the SYSTEM CONFIG, and is being used as not other
console was found. And you didn't try LOADPRAM CONSSYSC
One needs:
SYSTEM RESET# SET MACH ESA#LINK MAINT 123 123 RR
TERM CONMODE 3270
Q V CONS
DEFINE xxxx yyyy where xxxx is the current console address, yyyy is a
console from SYSTEM CONFIG
clear your screen
IPL 123 LOADPARM CONSSYSC
--> if you get MORE immediately... CP is started and does not use SYSC
--> if you remain in linemode, SYSC is used
2009/12/28 Mike Walter <mike.wal...@hewitt.com>
> I'd be surprised that CONSSYC would have been possible in VM/ESA 2.4.0.
But, you can try it easily:
In the immortal words of Gomer Pyle: Well GOLLEEE Sergeant Carter!...
---<snip>---
cp set mach esa
q set
MSG ON , WNG ON , EMSG ON , ACNT OFF, RUN ON
LINEDIT ON , TIMER OFF , ISAM OFF, ECMODE ON
ASSIST OFF , PAGEX OFF, AUTOPOLL OFF
IMSG ON , SMSG OFF , AFFINITY NONE , NOTRAN OFF
VMSAVE OFF, 370E OFF
STBYPASS OFF , STMULTI OFF 00/000
MIH OFF , VMCONIO OFF , CPCONIO OFF , SVCACCL OFF , CONCEAL OFF
MACHINE ESA, SVC76 CP, NOPDATA OFF, IOASSIST OFF
CCWTRAN ON , 370ACCOM OFF, TIMEBOMB IDLE
i f00 loadparm sysc
16:33:12 VM/ENTERPRISE SYSTEMS ARCHITECTURE V2 R4.0 SERVICE LEVEL 0003;
16:33:12 SYSTEM NUCLEUS CREATED ON 2002-11-07 AT 13:43:22, LOADED FROM
VM240A
16:33:12
16:33:12 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume VM240A (device 0F00).
16:33:12 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 210 through 284.
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I Beginning: 'SYSTEM CONFIG' from MAINT's CF1 disk.
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I System_Identifier set to: HALINVX1
16:33:12 HCPZPQ6809E This processor does not support dynamic I/O changes
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I >
+-----------------------------------------------------+
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I > + H.A. Operators, please read the following
carefully +
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I >
+-----------------------------------------------------+
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I > If "WARM" failed during the most recent attempt to
IPL
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I > this system, then contact VM Support for
assistance.
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I > *REMIND* VM Support to ask about missing DASD
volumes
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I > or other error messages.
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I >
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I > If this is the first IPL of this system since a
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I > SHUTDOWN -without- the "REIPL" parameter (usually
for a
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I > POR or other hardware maintenance), then respond to
the
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I > "Start" prompt by pressing "ENTER", or entering:
WARM
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I > and press "ENTER" for the "Change TOD clock"
prompt.
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I >
+-----------------------------------------------------+
16:33:12 HCPZPQ2780I Completed: 'SYSTEM CONFIG'.
16:33:12 HCPISA0912W SYSTEM RECOVERY FAILURE; VOLID VM240B NOT MOUNTED
HCPGIR450W CP entered; disabled wait PSW 000A0000 00000912
---<snip>---
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I'd be surprised that CONSSYC would have been possible in VM/ESA 2.4.0.
But, you can try it easily:
- logon to a class G user
- DETACH all its R/W disks
- LINK MAINT 123 123 RR --> RR, Read/Only is very important
- SET MACHINE ESA
- IPL 123 LOADPARM CONSSYSC
If it works, you'd see some VM IPL messages until VM dies as it cannot
write to 123, or doesn't find some page/spool packs to page out things.
But, I expect you will only see a "CP Entered: Disabled wait"
I always said: SYSC is only useful to IPL a VM system if you don't have to
change something to its default setup. As soon as you want to select
another nucleus/config file/.. you need the help of SAPL, and that means
having a 3270 during IPL.
A modern z/VM allows for more overrides than just CONSxxx via LOADPARM,
but with 8 characters you don't have much space, if I remember LOADPARM
FNxxxxxx is recognized too
2009/12/28 Billy R. Bingham <billy.bingham...@suddenlink.net>
And one more question :)
How far back does this go? IE: VM/ESA 2.4.0
Billy
---- Kris Buelens <kris.buel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As Loadparm: SYSC is less useful than SYSG
> Loadparm:
> *SYSG *= start the SAPL screen on the "Integrated 3270 console"
> *SYSC *= won't work, SAPL know 3270's only
> *CONSSYSG *= bypasses SAPL screen, but telles CP to use the "Integrated
> 3270 console" as console
> *CONSSYSC *= bypasses SAPL and tells CP to use this linemode console as
> console.
>
> 2009/12/28 McKown, John <john.mck...@healthmarkets.com>
>
> > Sorry, I think that I was thinking on the IPLPARM in the HMC. Maybe.
If
> > I'm not too EggNogged up.
> >
> >
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> > *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
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> >
> > In the SYSTEM CONFIG file it is SYSTEM_CONSOLE (as opposed to
SYSTEM_3270
> > for SYSG).
> >
> > 2009/12/28 McKown, John <john.mck...@healthmarkets.com>
> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System
> >> > [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Billy R. Bingham
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:39 AM
> >> > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
> >> > Subject: Operating System Messsages Console
> >> >
> >> > Hello all,
> >> >
> >> > What would be the parameter for VM to use the 'Operating
> >> > System Messages' console that is available. I think it might
> >> > also be referred to as the Integrated Console.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Billy
> >>
> >> The line mode console is SYSC. The 3270 mode console is SYSG.
> >>
> >> --
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> > --
> > Kris Buelens,
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