>From a colleague on the vse-l mailing list.

Billy
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    I only just this week discovered that the VSE BSM does not 
support group within group security. Meaning, if you have two 
security groups of users -- say, IT managers and IT employees -- and 
you try to include the IT managers as IT employees just by adding 
the IT managers security group into the IT employees security group, 
then the VSE BSM (as currently implemented) will not return the 
correct access levels for the IT managers so defined. 

    IBM Level 2 confirmed that this is a restriction of the VSE 
BSM and, they think, also of RACF (but they weren't 100% certain). 
Can anybody familiar with RACF confirm or deny such a restriction? 
Can anybody familiar with other top-notch security products confirm 
or deny whether those products, also, sport such a restriction? It 
seems, to me, that group within group security would be such a 
commonplace thing to want to do that I'm surprised to find that the 
VSE BSM does not support this. 

    Now, I do understand that such a defined sub-group would 
logically obtain the same access level as is defined for the main 
group. I further understand that in order to obtain a different 
access level for such a sub-group that the sub-group would have to 
be defined directly, as a main group, to the security resource in 
question. I also understand that, under the scenario I've described 
so far, this would result in the same group being defined twice to 
the same security resource -- once as a sub-group and once as a 
main group. However, I don't see this as a problem because a main 
group definition should logically take precedence anyway. I just 
object to having to always define only main groups in order to 
obtain the desired security access levels. 

Sincerely,

Dave Clark

WinWholesale Group Services
3110 Kettering Boulevard
Dayton, Ohio 45439 USA
(937) 294-5331



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