>>>>>Judy will allow them to keep at it, so she must approve.
It can't be both ways... we can't blame the list owner and claim there's censorship, and then complain because everyone gets to say what they want to say. Obviously, from the list guidelines that are posted biweekly, and from several cautionary "Please be nice, please don't go there, please end the topic, etc." notes that are posted at appropriate times, it is not approved. I think that is VERY clear. The list is designed to be educational, and in advocacy of humane and ethical treatment of the Icelandic Horse. If anyone does not want Icelandics to be treated humanely and ethically, there's certainly other places to go to do whatever you want to do with them. If you will notice, it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out where this thread was going. I think "deja vu" when it was recently posted: "Now.... wait.... what will happen is that we'll have a new list member come on, and they will insist that "it's a horse, not a pony, since they were told that by an icelander, and shouldn't an icelander know better than anyone else since they've had the breed for 1,000 years".... and then will be offended when given an explanation.... and go back to their peers who also believe the icelander.... and they will all sit around on Saturday after a ride and say, "oh, those people on the icehorses list don't know anything!"" and then WHAM! Somebody steps in that hole, and what was said, comes true. Been there; done that; let's get over it; don't take what the icelanders say as "word". Intelligent, smart people question things and find answers that make sense. >>>>I read this list now only to see who they are ripping apart now. If you will notice, there are TONS of positive, educational, information posts on the list. There's no need to read posts about topics that you don't like, or from people you don't like. Your focus does not *have* to be there. Perhaps you can contribute to some of the saddle fitting threads, the tight noseband threads, the concussive practices of tolting on ice threads, the spavin threads, etc. We've found, over the years, that it's the people who never contribute one bit in the way of discussion of educational / informational threads, that tend to complain. I have several lists, larger and with more traffic than the icehorses list, but, by far, this list takes more management time. I think, that there's a couple of reasons for that: [] One reason is egos. Some people have their ego in front of their desire to be a horseman, to learn more about horsemanship, or to have a relationship / partnership with their horse as a creature of the universe, and not an ATV. [] Another reason is that they are vested in a certain culture, person, or method. Once someone is vested in something, it's hard to make changes, especially if reason number one is involved! Again, if anyone does not want Icelandics to be treated humanely and ethically, with good horsemanship, there's certainly other places to go to do whatever you want to do with them. Any responses to this can be taken private, as, per our list guidelines, META discussions are not allowed. Thanks. Judy
