sorry for only now responding to posts from this past weekend.
"Karen Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  ...I seem to remember hearing that...not all "SE" is actually caused so 
much by the cullicoides as by a bombardment of many minor allergies... 
Won't that make it harder for a single vaccine to work for all cases of SE...?  
 

   You are 100% correct that the immune system of an imported horse must be 
assaulted by a whole array of things that it never encountered back in Iceland, 
when it was distinguishing "self" (what it shouldn't mount an immune reaction 
to) from foreign epitopes (all else, that it should mount an immune reaction 
to).  Nonetheless, culicoides' saliva is is by far the worst offender.  Indeed, 
it seems a real testimony to the imported Iceys' adaptability that they do not 
develop horrible allergies to a lot of different things.  So my guess is that 
it should eventually be possible to develop a desensitization regime for the 
offending culicoides antigen (or antigens).  However, as you know, 
desensitization (like in humans for bee stings or poison ivy) takes quite a 
long while, and during that time the patient shouldn't be exposed to that 
antigen.  Therefore, to be best effective, such a desensitization protocol 
would need to be administered in Iceland before import, or only import in the 
late fall and do the desensitize treatments all winter and spring, before the 
horses here get exposed to massive amounts of those bugs.  Or maybe, 
eventually, horses in Iceland that are being raised for export will be 
administered culicoides' antigens when they are newborns, so their immune 
systems will consider that "self" and not later raise an allergic reaction to 
it.  

   However, in lieu of those routes, I am quite certain that one can mimic such 
a desensitization protocol by making sure that culicoides antigens are 
introduced only very slowly, following the horse's import.  That is the 
reasoning behind being totally fanatic about protecting their immune systems 
against a full culicoides exposure for the first few years the horses are here, 
from the first warm days to the first good frost, e.g., by spraying with 
FlyGone EVERY AM and PM for the first few years and then daily spraying 
thereafter.  Possibly stabling with a chest high fan every dusk and dawn, and 
probably also all day if it is humid, cloudy, and breeze-free, could work as 
well.

   Unfortunately, for Iceys imported into a high-culicoides area (such as 
Anneliese's and ours, and probably yours as well), the very BEST in normal 
horse care, and using the BEST in normal bug protection, does not limit 
exposure to culicoides antigens, favoring the eventual onset of SE.  I found it 
most interesting when Malin ("Ingvar Ragnarsson") posted that 80% of iceys 
imported to Holland eventually develop SE.  This meshed very well with 
Anneliese's observations and with our more limited observations here in 
SE-conducive microclimates.

   Whatever, SE is nasty, but an affliction where most if not all horses can be 
kept comfortable, generally lesion-free, by rigorous application of now-known 
treatments (e.g., FlyGone; dusk/dawn stabling with a chest high fan; Boett 
blankets; dex treatments if all else fails; SE lotion or some other effective 
salve if there should be an outbreak).  it certainly is much brighter for these 
horses than it was only 5 years ago!

yours,  Barbara 
in Maryland


p.s.  Finally, I must apologize for not being clearer when talking about horses 
born in a SE-free area and then brought as adults to SE-central, which several 
vets have told me have a markedly increased chance of developing SE, for the 
same reasons as Iceys.  However, their chances of developing SE are still not 
nearly as high as for imported Iceys.  Possibly this difference is because of 
all the other assaults on the imported horse's immune system, as you described, 
and/or that horses elsewhere in the US grew up with some related bugs.

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