--- In [email protected], "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Especially since his problems are recurring, I'd get him to the 
vet.  

-------------------That's what I'm thinking too.  It's just so weird 
to not be able to figure out what's going on.  Every few hours I 
doubt myself and think that maybe it's in my head.  But then I think 
about his reactions to having a rider and reactions to rubbing that 
spot and KNOW that he was clearly telling us that place hurt. 

> If you continue riding a horse in pain, you endanger your 
relationship and that will take a lot of time to undo.

-----------------I so agree.  I will absolutely NOT ride him, nor let 
others ride him if he's telling me he hurts.  It just doesn't make 
sense to put a rider in danger nor is it fair to him.  It's just so 
frustrating to be at a standstill again in his training.  We've been 
working with him for about 6 months now and still haven't gotten to 
the point of him going under saddle (except for ponying).  I'm 
certainly NOT going to advance if we can't, but it's disheartening 
for me.


> Almost invariably pain causes behavior problems that eventually 
have to be addressed.  You don't want to go there if you don't have 
to.

-------------------We've already had to Karen.  The previous trainer 
didn't recognize that he was in pain and tried to "ride him through 
it".  This created a bolting horse.  He had started bolting when he 
was ridden and then I came into the picture to help "fix" him.  
GRRRRRR.  I'm not going to perpetuate the problem by "riding him 
through it", but instead am trying to figure out just why he's having 
back issues.  We have won one important battle - figuring out WHY he 
was bolting.  I just can't figure out what is causing the back pain.

Dawn B.S. - northern Michigan

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