--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I said I wasnt talking from an ivory tower, not anything about YOU
> in
> an ivory tower.  me.  but if you think you get some attitude I am
> just
> frustrated that i keep asking and you wont say tolt is rack.  I
> have
> asked how you define tolt etc.  You havent said anything that
> indicates you think tolt is rack.  and again thats a little
> frustrating but I give up.  if Gudmar thinks tolt is rack, then
> whats
> the big deal...  it just makes me wonder if you actually know what
> it
> is, is all.  If you cant say its rack then what is it then?  Is it
> all
> easy gaits?  I think you already said it isn't.  which i agree. 
> But
> can you see how it kinda frustrates for me to keep asking you to
> define it and you keep saying "all my horses do it so wonderfully"
> but what IS "it"...  I have asked too many times and really I think
> now I will just accept as i should have probably a long time ago
> that
> there won't be an answer.  which puzzles me but ooh well.
> Janice





I do not quite get where you are coming from with this Janice, as in
many of my posts I will write tolt/rack.

So I am not trying to not answer the question, I am just floored that
it seemed your last post was directed at me, and I had not even been
in a direct conversation with you in regards to tolts defination.   I
really try not to do that here on this list anymore because someone
usually gets bent out of shape, and then its well, is it a true rack?
 How many seconds apart is the blah blah blah from the blah blah
blah...and them people think that if you do not have a video of it
and play it in slow motion, it can not possibly be a good TOLT/Rack. 


I am generalising here I know, but the tolt/rack conversations have
gotton nasty in the past.....and your comments that were directed at
me, my horses and my ignorance as you put it I do not appreciate.

I do know a thing or two, and I do not know a lot.

One thing I was fortunate enough to do was to purchase horses that
were naturally gaited, easy to work with and tolt under saddle with
no effort on my part, call me lazy, but thats what I like.

I am in an area that is very isolated...but luckily I have a lot of
help from someone who actually knows stuff....

We have to be able to start our own horses here, we have to learn
about starting and training and conditioning because there is No One
in this state or on this island who can start or ride these horses.

The gaited horses the walkers that were here before got trained by
the old cowboy methods and knew nothing about gait...so when the
horse gait, they get repromanded.  It still happens today with some
of the MFT that were trained last year.  Sally is now helping the
owner retrain her, got a proper fitting saddle, tack that does not
hurt her, and Bingo, with comfort and not pulling on her mouth shes
gaiting, doing a beautiful fox trot.

There is no one here to turn to, we have to learn here and be
knowlegable, for our horses.  

There are 2 professional trainers on this island who know about
gaited horses...Linda Tellington Jones, and my friend, Eloise. 
Neither one take in horses to train...that leaves Sally and I to do
it, or our horses will be thrown to the cowboys.  I will not let that
happen.


I just do not want to get involved in the stupid semanitics game...a
tolt is a rack, as I have stated MANY times....I even put in the page
#'s for you in the Bible of Gaits book that gets referred to many
times....

So if you agree with that we are on the same page, I never questioned
if you knew it, as I really do not care......and I do get a little
miffed when someone questions if I know what gait my horses
do....from an email list, without me even asking for an Opinion....

I have stated in the past that I have one mare that racks and does a
fox trot at liberty.....I can see the difference.


Janice I think you will find that we agree on a lot of
things.....just read, as I have stated that Tolt/rack are the one in
the same many times.

Skye

     

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