From: "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> If the horse is pacey and conformationally
> prone to hollowness, then yes, I feel sure you'd want to move him TOWARDS
> some "degree of roundness" or at least "lack of hollowness" if at all
> possible - as I gather you've done with Stormur.  (Certainly not all the 
> way
> to the roundness needed for piaffe, but just "towards" some degree of
> roundness...) But if the horse is born with ideal conformation to do an 
> easy
> and natural gait like running walk or saddle rack, if you round him too
> much, then I think the soft gait will suffer.  Does that mean you don't 
> want
> to work this nicely-gaited horse towards more roundness?  I guess that
> depends on the rider and the horse.  I assume I'm probably not the only
> person who likes for their horses who can easily trot to do so, but there
> are pleasure riders who'd prefer that their horses never trot.  I teach
> different cues for trot versus gait and try to use both - or "all" in the
> case of some of my multi-gaited horses.  But, if a rider doesn't want to
> trot, they can certainly work the horse's back in other ways - with
> groundwork, lots of walking, doing a three-beat canter, getting him "long
> and low" for periods...

Hi Karen,

Yes, I am referring to roundness. I agree with what you're saying here.  I 
am wondering if it makes the horse lose the ability to rack.  It sure didn't 
make Stormur lose his ability to pace!!!!

>Here's
> something from the last paragraph on page 35 of Lee's book, which is the
> same as I've read in every good dressage book: "There are many degrees of
> collection, from the slightly raised back of a horse just beginning to 
> come
> away from a neutral position to the completely rounded frame of a horse
> working in a good piaffe."  Can you point to something else in the book to
> clarify what you mean?
>

I'm referring to Lee's statement in the section, How Does a Horse Do a Pace 
or Stepping Pace, on page 157:  "Horses that pace always do so with "hollow" 
or slightly swayed backs."  I don't think Stormur's back is always hollow or 
slightly swayed when he paces.

I was just noticing on page 156, there's a series of drawings depicting hard 
pace and broken pace. Are they mislabelled?

Thanks,
Mary





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