i think at first they do overkill Anna, Tivar did, he was very polite at first, and then brutally mean, it would really upset me cause he was so mean to nasi, he would stand and not move, frozen for fear of tivar jumping him. Then tivar settled down and now he acts like jaspar, fights when they come after him but minds his own business otherwise. and when i separate him and nas for some reason nasi calls to him so i know he likes being pastured with him. and now he lets nasi play and act like a youngster without jumping on him all the time. It took about 4-6 months for all that to settle down. Janice
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