i just want to say I owned almost every treeless there is at one time and was very unhappy with all of them. When I bought a used sensation G3 I loved it but it was still slippy when I mounted and dismounted and I had a real bad accident in it when stonewall did a spin and I flew off, which made me feel I needed more security. But Tivar HAD to have a treeless. So I sold the G3 and got exactly what I paid for it, and then with only a hundred dollars more got a like new hybrid, and THIS, believe me, is to me, as secure, comfy, and non-slippy as any treed saddle. I swear it is, and I am heavy and barely fit in it!. but the pommel is high enough to offer security and altho it was less slippy it still slipped when mounting til I got a well fitted breast collar and used the fixed stirrups and it hasnt slipped a hair since! So before anyone discounts treeless saddles or even sensations, TRY a hybrid. Janice
-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
