On 3/25/08, Lorraine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > There is no collection in tolt.  The frame of the
> > horse in tolt is
> > diametrically opposed to collection.
> >
> > It just doesn't happen.
>
>
>
> That is good to know.  With my MFT it helped the
> foxtrot to collect him.  So I figured it was the same
> for tolting.
>
>  Lorraine
>


the tolt is a rack, they have to sorta uncoil.  The speed rackers and
flying pacers, if you imagine them without a rider, they are stretched
long, head up and out, tail flying straight out.  Not many "collected"
horses are uncoiled and strung out like that.  That is my layman
language explanation :)

In my video of my Stonewall doing a pace...  when i ride him he does a
saddlerack, always.  When my husband rode him he did a fast pace.  Was
it the larger heavier saddle?  The Tucker saddle?  Was it my husband
weighs almost a hundred pounds more and that weight distributed over a
foot taller frame?  Was it the way he sits?  I have my suspicions and
we will test it this weekend...  I never let stonewall on that loose a
rein.  He is a whirler.  But my husband has never been slung off him
like riding a helicopter blade so he just let him have his head.  When
i ride him I give him about a two inch slack on each side and thats
it.  I kinda suspect thats why he saddleracks with me.  Because on the
trail when others were in front of him and he couldnt go as fast as he
wanted with my husband, he saddle racked.  I think the more they can
uncoil and string out the more they are racky/pacey.  (if built that
way) jmo.  maybe totally wrong.
Janice

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even good horses have bad days sometimes.

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