---- JR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
 I have looked at treeless but am a 
> little worried.  Wouldn't you just be "bouncing" on thier spine?  Isn't 
> that why saddles have gullets?  I can't find any treeless that do. 

Hi JR,
    There are some models that DO incorporate a gullet.    I picked up one off 
Ebay recently that has this feature built in.  I guess the ones this gal is 
going to be carrying have the panels stitched on, but I really wanted this 
proto-type one with the moveable, velcro on/off panels.   I haven't been able 
to try it out yet though:

http://tinyurl.com/5v825d

I know I've seen a couple of other models that also have a gullet, although I 
can't remember the brands -- maybe someone can help there?    (I have been 
rather disappointed that more treeless saddles do not build a gullet into their 
designs for some unknown reason.)  However, you can also buy special pads with 
a spine channel to go under the treeless saddles that make up for this.   Skito 
is one, and I like the Saddleright pads myself -- I use one under a plain 
bareback pad as well.   The Sensation is a lovely, stable, treeless saddle but 
you will need to have a channel pad under it as it doesn't have a gullet 
built-in.
 
> What is the difference between a bareback pad and a treeless?

Depends on the models of each you are taking about.   Some treeless are barely 
distinguishable from a regular saddle and have a lot of "substance"  and 
structure to them.   Others, are very much a glorified bareback pad.   

> I know  if you ride bareback to much your horse will get a sore back. 

I don't know about that.   IMHO,  a balanced rider on a horse without a 
prominent spine (for example) would be alright I think.   I think that's a 
horse/rider case by case "thing".

 >  Anyone have a saddle with CAIR panils and gullet 
> change?  How well does that work?

I have a Wintec Wide with the three very wide gullet plates and the CAIR.   
It's a good saddle for the money, but I'm not sure it isn't too long for my 
very short-backed mare (I need the 18" seat).    Changing the gullets isn't 
hard.   As for the CAIR. . . I don't know. . . I think I prefer old fashioned 
wool.   The CAIR panels just seem harder to me and not as willing to "mold" to 
the horse's back.
> 
> I just figured Icelandics are very hard to fit horses and thought you 
> guys would have a lot of experience with saddle problems.

Ha ha -- oh yes, that's definitely  the truth for some of us.   : )

-- Renee M. in Michigan

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