> Are there Icelandics that both tolt ventroflexed and trot in true > collection?
I haven't seen an Icelandic in true collection. Sara Silfverberg has been doing dressage with an Icelandic Horse: http://icehorses.blogspot.com/2008/07/icelandic-horse-dressage.html She notes that this is a first attempt at collection. She says: "Principally the shape of the piaffe and the collected tölt are the same. In both exercises the horse should be in a collected shape, with raised neck, arced back and seated on the hindquarters. The different is only the tact of the footfalls, where in the piaffe it is a diagonal two beat, and in the tölt it is a fourbeat. If the horse can load the hindlegs, one should principally be able to ask the horse for a two-pace, and the piaffe would come, and for a four-pace and the horse would than execute a collected tölt, or a three-pace and the collected canter would come." She has an image that shows tolt at the high point of collection: http://www.klassisch-reiten.at/t1_islandpferde_stufenleiter.jpg I think this all shows that there is a misunderstanding at the very basis of what collection is. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
