>>Little Joe Pad<< When I ordered mine, I ordered it 3" shorter than standard & provided my own Sensation billets. I too did not care for their free under pad either & instead put my Skito Sensation Pad underneath. If the stirrup hangers bother you, just take the pad to a local saddler & have him stitch a 5" x5" suede square which has a velcro strip down each side onto the LJ Pad. It covers the rings nicely. A saddler can also cut the rear of the Little Joe down a few inches & re-attach the binding. Both of my horses liked the Little Joe Pad a lot, but it was too wide for my narrow hips. Elizabeth at Little Joe refunded my money in full even though it was a special order. Several of my saddle fit clients whose hips are not as narrow as mine love the Little Joe as an alternate to their treeless.
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