On Sat, 14 Sep 2013, Michael Friedrich wrote:
> On 13.09.2013 23:04, Carl R. Friend wrote:
>>
>> There's no way in creation that I'd recommend such a system (his
>> or mine) for anything like a production environment, but for
>> development and R&D they're quite useful indeed. (It turns out that
>> it was the Apache web-servers that crushed my little machine -- not
>> the database (which runs on a separate machine.)
>
> true that. if it's the apache, i would look at php and the version
> included. i've seen installs with php 5.2.6 (iirc that was debian lenny)
> and once they got php 5.3.x a tremendously performance increasement was
> to be seen.
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2013 11:28:48 GMT
Server: Apache/2.2.22 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.22 OpenSSL/0.9.8x DAV/2 PHP/5.3.10
I took the easy way out when I last rebuilt the system and
used OpenCSW for the Apache and PHP bits. The last time I tried
to build PHP it was an exercize in hair-pulling because of the
depth of the dependency-well.
From the looks of things, PHP 5.3 does perform better than 4.3.2
based on local tests of a phpBB forum I run. However, it does pork
up ("fatten") the apache memory-footprint quite a bit and that took
out my limited-memory system. This would not be an issue on anything
like a modern system.
> [... I] am highly convinced that using old software with new web
> interfaces won't be much fun.
In my case, you can add in old hardware as well (there are date
codes back to February, 2000 on this example), but I'm a bit of an
oddity (and a bit a a computer-historian; see my sig-block).
> recently i've suggested to update to php53 packages on sles 11 at a
> customer - because i do know that it runs faster than the natively
> shipped 5.2.x (which is end-of-life and might not receive any patches in
> the future).
From what I've seen, most things that are being developed now
and which require PHP call out 5.3 as the minimum version, so
migrating upwards from 5.2 (or before) will confer advantages.
> still, i do know that in the solaris world, you'll stick with what's
> available. and with 10, it's obviously from 2005 and older. it would be
> interesting if you'll get boost compiled on it (and icinga2 afterwards).
I'm game to give it a go. Pointers to source?
> still, for the original question - as remarked, it may become a backend
> question somehow. but if you're looking at the services required (nagvis
> runs with idoutils btw too -
> https://wiki.icinga.org/display/howtos/NagVis , next to web and
> reporting), you may have made your decision already. but - and that's a
> good thing imho - you can still use the icinga guis in parallel, and let
> even your users decide.
I settled hard into the database-backend camp sometime in the mid-
to-late-2000s when I had a requirement to implement complex checks
that needed to know the state of lots of other bits and I didn't feel
like scraping "status.dat". Things like NagVis were display bonuses
to the ability to make SQL-based queries to find stuff out. The
Nagios setup I used to be in charge spanned the globe with seven
active check-running instances on three HP beasts and a fully-formed
migration plan to Icinga with the intent to look at Web once the
upgrade was complete.
> afterall, if it's for the backend - in icinga2, we've got 3 backends for
> compatibility on our roadmap (try git master): 1)
> status.dat/objects.cache/icinga1xlog 2) ido db (components which writes
> directly to the db, no extra daemon) 3) livestatus. So once you'll ask
> yourself, and then decide for one backend, you will find it in icinga2
> for compatibility reasons then too - if that's something you require in
> planning your monitoring for the next years.
There will likely be reasons to use more than one and variety is
usually a good thing.
> i guess, we will have some stuff to showcase during osmc this year in
> our presentation (http://www.netways.de/index.php?id=3994&L=1),
> especially the newly designed cluster setup gunnar is currently working
> on (aka "it just works", heard this week in our dev room ;) ).
Drat! It's on the wrong side of an ocean and I don't speak a word
of German. But, "It just works" is high praise in any environment!
> have a nice weekend!
Cheers!
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