Diskusi gak menarik, kalau ujungnya : jangan pake. -- | @h4nafi | japri : [email protected] | On 21 Oct 2013 19:22, "Moamer Khadafi" <[email protected]> wrote:
> IMHO, Kalaulah semua di closed, kan bisa pake app pihak lain bukan? > > Masalah data di collect, sekali lagi bisa di opt out alias bisa dimatikan. > Kalau gak mau alamat rumah n kantor ketahuan Google ya jangan dimasukkan > datanya. Kalau gak mau email dibaca Google ya jangan pake Gmail. > > ▒ Android 4.3 @ Google neXus4™ ▒ > On Oct 21, 2013 7:15 PM, "Abdul Hadi G" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Kalau sy baca sekilas sih, awalnya android itu open source (AOSP) tapi >> satu persatu aplikasinya "berevolusi" jadi propetary (close system) milik >> google seperti calendar, keyboard, google search, location, sms dan mms yg >> nantinya diintegrasikan ke hangout dll... yg dikhawatirkan, nantinya semua >> system di android ujung2nya close system jg. Yg saya takutkan memang, >> google memang berpotensi sekali mengumpulkan data2 pengguna android, dari >> nama, alamat, lokasi kita saat ini, belum lagi data cc di playstore dll >> (sekarang aja sdh keliatan kan dari fitur google now dan google maps, kita >> bisa masukkan lokasi rumah dan kantor?). >> >> Mungkin ini jg yg menjawab kenapa Mr.Scmidth ditertawakan audience >> beberapa waktu lalu ttg keamanan android. >> >> Salam, >> Hadi G. >> On Oct 21, 2013 7:04 PM, "Moamer Khadafi" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sama aja kaya developer yg cuma mau bikin app untuk Android versi >>> tertentu, atau misal game yg eksklusif tegra. >>> >>> Menurut saya sih, itu hak nya Google. Tinggal pake penggantinya kalau >>> gak mau pake gapps. Beres >>> >>> ▒ Android 4.3 @ Google neXus4™ ▒ >>> On Oct 21, 2013 6:03 PM, "hanafi f" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Kasus Acer + Kindle-nya Amazon, >>>> betapa *berkuasanya* google >>>> >>>> ********* >>>> .... >>>> >>>> Acer was bit by this requirement when it tried to build devices that >>>> ran Alibaba's Aliyun OS in China. Aliyun is an Android fork, and when >>>> Google got wind of it, Acer was told to shut the project down or lose its >>>> access to Google apps. Google even made a public blog post about it: >>>> >>>> While Android remains free for anyone to use as they would like, only >>>> Android compatible devices benefit from the full Android ecosystem. By >>>> joining the Open Handset Alliance, each member contributes to and builds >>>> one Android platform—not a bunch of incompatible versions >>>> >>>> .... >>>> ********* >>>> >>>> -- >>>> | @h4nafi | japri : [email protected] | >>>> On 21 Oct 2013 17:19, "Moamer Khadafi" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Belum sempat baca seluruhnya, tapi bukankah kalau gak dipakem Google >>>>> fragmentasi makin menjadi jadi? >>>>> >>>>> ▒ Android 4.3 @ Google neXus4™ ▒ >>>>> On Oct 21, 2013 4:02 PM, "hanafi f" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Errrr... >>>>> Jadi kepikiran.... >>>>> Pantes samsung penuh *bloatware* >>>>> >>>>> Apa ini jangan2 alasan *Hugo* pindah ke xiaomi? >>>>> >>>>> Google = Evil? >>>>> >>>>> ******************* >>>>> >>>>> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/ >>>>> ******************* >>>>> >>>>> Six years ago, in November 2007, the Android Open Source Project >>>>> (AOSP) was announced. The original iPhone came out just a few months >>>>> earlier, capturing people's imaginations and ushering in the modern >>>>> smartphone era. While Google was an app partner for the original iPhone, >>>>> it >>>>> could see what a future of unchecked iPhone competition would be like. Vic >>>>> Gundotra, recalling Andy Rubin's initial pitch for Android, stated: >>>>> >>>>> He argued that if Google did not act, we faced a Draconian future, >>>>> a future where one man, one company, one device, one carrier would be our >>>>> only choice. >>>>> >>>>> Google was terrified that Apple would end up ruling the mobile space. >>>>> So, to help in the fight against the iPhone at a time when Google had no >>>>> mobile foothold whatsoever, Android was launched as an open source >>>>> project. >>>>> >>>>> In that era, Google had nothing, so any adoption—any shred of market >>>>> share—was welcome. Google decided to give Android away for free and use it >>>>> as a trojan horse for Google services. The thinking went that if Google >>>>> Search was one day locked out of the iPhone, people would stop using >>>>> Google >>>>> Search on the desktop. Android was the "moat" around the Google Search >>>>> "castle"—it would exist to protect Google's online properties in the >>>>> mobile >>>>> world. >>>>> Enlarge / Android's rocketing market share >>>>> Smartmo / Ron Amadeo >>>>> >>>>> Today, things are a little different. Android went from zero percent >>>>> of the smartphone market to owning nearly 80 percent of it. Android has >>>>> arguably won the smartphone wars, but "Android winning" and "Google >>>>> winning" are not necessarily the same thing. Since Android is open source, >>>>> it doesn't really "belong" to Google. Anyone is free to take it, clone the >>>>> source, and create their own fork or alternate version. >>>>> >>>>> As we've seen with the struggles of Windows Phone and Blackberry 10, >>>>> app selection is everything in the mobile market, and Android's massive >>>>> install base means it has a ton of apps. If a company forks Android, the >>>>> OS >>>>> will already be compatible with millions of apps; a company just needs to >>>>> build its own app store and get everything uploaded. In theory, you'd have >>>>> a non-Google OS with a ton of apps, virtually overnight. If a company >>>>> other >>>>> than Google can come up with a way to make Android better than it is now, >>>>> it would be able to build a serious competitor and possibly threaten >>>>> Google's smartphone dominance. This is the biggest danger to Google's >>>>> current position: a successful, alternative Android distribution. >>>>> >>>>> And a few companies are taking a swing at separating Google from >>>>> Android. The most successful, high-profile alternative version of Android >>>>> is Amazon's Kindle Fire. Amazon takes AOSP, skips all the usual Google >>>>> add-ons, and provides its own app store, content stores, browser, cloud >>>>> storage, and e-mail. The entire country of China skips the Google part of >>>>> Android, too. Most Google services are banned, so the only option there is >>>>> an alternate version. In both of these cases, Google's Android code is >>>>> used, and it gets nothing for it. >>>>> >>>>> It's easy to give something away when you're in last place with zero >>>>> marketshare, precisely where Android started. When you're in first place >>>>> though, it's a little harder to be so open and welcoming. Android has gone >>>>> from being the thing that protects Google to being something worth >>>>> protecting in its own right. Mobile is the future of the Internet, and >>>>> controlling the world's largest mobile platform has tons of benefits. At >>>>> this point, it's too difficult to stuff the open source genie back into >>>>> the >>>>> bottle, which begs the question: how do you control an open source >>>>> project? >>>>> >>>>> Google has always given itself some protection against alternative >>>>> versions of Android. What many people think of as "Android" actually falls >>>>> into two categories: the open parts from the Android Open Source Project >>>>> (AOSP), which are the foundation of Android, and the closed source parts, >>>>> which are all the Google-branded apps. While Google will never go the >>>>> entire way and completely close Android, the company seems to be doing >>>>> everything it can to give itself leverage over the existing open source >>>>> project. And the company's main method here is to bring more and more apps >>>>> under the closed source "Google" umbrella. >>>>> Closed source creep >>>>> >>>>> There have always been closed source Google apps. Originally, the >>>>> group consisted mostly of clients for Google's online services, like >>>>> Gmail, >>>>> Maps, Talk, and YouTube. When Android had no market share, Google was >>>>> comfortable keeping just these apps and building the rest of Android as an >>>>> open source project. Since Android has become a mobile powerhouse though, >>>>> Google has decided it needs more control over the public source code. >>>>> >>>>> For some of these apps, there might still be an AOSP equivalent, but >>>>> as soon as the proprietary version was launched, all work on the AOSP >>>>> version was stopped. Less open source code means more work for Google's >>>>> competitors. While you can't kill an open source app, you can turn it into >>>>> abandonware by moving all continuing development to a closed source model. >>>>> Just about any time Google rebrands an app or releases a new piece of >>>>> Android onto the Play Store, it's a sign that the source has been closed >>>>> and the AOSP version is dead. >>>>> >>>>> *Search* >>>>> >>>>> We'll start with the Search app, which is an excellent example of what >>>>> happens when Google duplicates AOSP functionality. >>>>> >>>>> In August 2010, Google launched Voice Actions. With it, the company >>>>> introduced "Google Search" into the (then) Android Market. These were the >>>>> days of Froyo. The above picture shows the latest version of AOSP Search >>>>> and Google Search running on Android 4.3. As you can see, AOSP Search is >>>>> still stuck in the days of Froyo (Android 2.2). Once Google had its closed >>>>> source app up and running, it immediately abandoned the open source >>>>> version. The Google version has search by voice, audio search, >>>>> text-to-speech, an answer service, and it contains Google Now, the >>>>> company's predictive assistant feature. The AOSP version can do Web and >>>>> local searches and... that's it. >>>>> >>>>> *Music* >>>>> *Calendar* >>>>> *Keyboard* >>>>> *Gallery/Camera* >>>>> >>>>> .... >>>>> Locking-in manufacturers >>>>> >>>>> While Google is out to devalue the open source codebase as much as >>>>> possible, controlling the app side of the equation isn't the company's >>>>> only >>>>> power play. >>>>> >>>>> If a company does ever manage to fork AOSP, clone the Google apps, and >>>>> create a viable competitor to Google's Android, it's going to have a hard >>>>> time getting anyone to build a device for it. In an open market, it would >>>>> be as easy as calling up an Android OEM and convincing them to switch, but >>>>> Google is out to make life a little more difficult than that. Google's >>>>> real >>>>> power in mobile comes from control of the Google apps—mainly Gmail, Maps, >>>>> Google Now, Hangouts, YouTube, and the Play Store. These are Android's >>>>> killer apps, and the big (and small) manufacturers want these apps on >>>>> their >>>>> phones. Since these apps are not open source, they need to be licensed >>>>> from >>>>> Google. It is at this point that you start picturing a scene out of The >>>>> Godfather, because these apps aren't going to come without some >>>>> requirements attached. >>>>> >>>>> While it might not be an official requirement, being granted a Google >>>>> apps license will go a whole lot easier if you join the Open Handset >>>>> Alliance. The OHA is a group of companies committed to Android—Google's >>>>> Android—and members are contractually prohibited from building non-Google >>>>> approved devices. That's right, joining the OHA requires a company to sign >>>>> its life away and promise to not build a device that runs a competing >>>>> Android fork. >>>>> >>>>> Acer was bit by this requirement when it tried to build devices that >>>>> ran Alibaba's Aliyun OS in China. Aliyun is an Android fork, and when >>>>> Google got wind of it, Acer was told to shut the project down or lose its >>>>> access to Google apps. Google even made a public blog post about it: >>>>> >>>>> While Android remains free for anyone to use as they would like, only >>>>> Android compatible devices benefit from the full Android ecosystem. By >>>>> joining the Open Handset Alliance, each member contributes to and builds >>>>> one Android platform—not a bunch of incompatible versions. >>>>> >>>>> This makes life extremely difficult for the only company brazen enough >>>>> to sell an Android fork in the west: Amazon. Since the Kindle OS counts as >>>>> an incompatible version of Android, no major OEM is allowed to produce the >>>>> Kindle Fire for Amazon. So when Amazon goes shopping for a manufacturer >>>>> for >>>>> its next tablet, it has to immediately cross Acer, Asus, Dell, Foxconn, >>>>> Fujitsu, HTC, Huawei, Kyocera, Lenovo, LG, Motorola, NEC, Samsung, Sharp, >>>>> Sony, Toshiba, and ZTE off the list. Currently, Amazon contracts Kindle >>>>> manufacturing out to Quanta Computer, a company primarily known for making >>>>> laptops. Amazon probably doesn't have many other choices. >>>>> >>>>> For OEMs, this means they aren't allowed to slowly transition from >>>>> Google's Android to a fork. The second they ship one device that runs a >>>>> competing fork, they are given the kiss of death and booted out of the >>>>> Android family—it must be a clean break. This, by design, makes switching >>>>> to forked Android a terrifying prospect to any established Android OEM. >>>>> You >>>>> must jump off the Google cliff, and there's no going back. >>>>> >>>>> Any OEM hoping to license Google Apps will need to pass Google's >>>>> "compatibility" tests in order to be eligible. Compatibility ensures that >>>>> all the apps in the Play Store will run on your device. And to Google, >>>>> "compatibility" is also a fluid concept that an Android engineer once >>>>> internally described as "a club to make [OEMs] do what we want." While >>>>> Google now has automated tools that will test your device's >>>>> "compatibility," getting a Google apps license still requires a company to >>>>> privately e-mail Google and "kiss the ring" so to speak. Most of this is >>>>> done through backroom agreements and secret contracts, so the majority of >>>>> the information we have comes from public spats and/or lawsuits between >>>>> Google and potential Android deserters (see: Acer). >>>>> >>>>> .... >>>>> >>>>> ******************* >>>>> >>>>> Next.... >>>>> >>>>> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/10/googles-iron-grip-on-android-controlling-open-source-by-any-means-necessary/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> | @h4nafi | japri : [email protected] | >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ========== >>>>> ID-Android on YouTube >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u81L8Qpy5A >>>>> -------------------- >>>>> Web Hosting, Zimbra Mail Server, VPS gratis Raspberry Pi : >>>>> http://www.hostune.com >>>>> -------------------- >>>>> Aturan Umum ID-Android: http://goo.gl/MpVq8 >>>>> Join Forum ID-ANDROID: http://forum.android.or.id >>>>> ========== >>>>> --- >>>>> Anda menerima pesan ini karena Anda berlangganan grup "[id-android] >>>>> Indonesian Android Community " dari Grup Google. >>>>> Untuk berhenti berlangganan dan berhenti menerima email dari grup ini, >>>>> kirim email ke id-android+berhenti [email protected] . >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ========== >>>>> ID-Android on YouTube >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u81L8Qpy5A >>>>> -------------------- >>>>> Web Hosting, Zimbra Mail Server, VPS gratis Raspberry Pi : >>>>> http://www.hostune.com >>>>> -------------------- >>>>> Aturan Umum ID-Android: http://goo.gl/MpVq8 >>>>> Join Forum ID-ANDROID: http://forum.android.or.id >>>>> ========== >>>>> --- >>>>> Anda menerima pesan ini karena Anda berlangganan grup "[id-android] >>>>> Indonesian Android Community " dari Grup Google. >>>>> Untuk berhenti berlangganan dan berhenti menerima email dari grup ini, >>>>> kirim email ke id-android+berhenti [email protected] . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> ========== >>>> ID-Android on YouTube >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u81L8Qpy5A >>>> -------------------- >>>> Web Hosting, Zimbra Mail Server, VPS gratis Raspberry Pi : >>>> http://www.hostune.com >>>> -------------------- >>>> Aturan Umum ID-Android: http://goo.gl/MpVq8 >>>> Join Forum ID-ANDROID: http://forum.android.or.id >>>> ========== >>>> --- >>>> Anda menerima pesan ini karena Anda berlangganan grup "[id-android] >>>> Indonesian Android Community " dari Grup Google. >>>> Untuk berhenti berlangganan dan berhenti menerima email dari grup ini, >>>> kirim email ke id-android+berhenti [email protected] . >>>> >>> -- >>> ========== >>> ID-Android on YouTube >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u81L8Qpy5A >>> -------------------- >>> Web Hosting, Zimbra Mail Server, VPS gratis Raspberry Pi : >>> http://www.hostune.com >>> -------------------- >>> Aturan Umum ID-Android: http://goo.gl/MpVq8 >>> Join Forum ID-ANDROID: http://forum.android.or.id >>> ========== >>> --- >>> Anda menerima pesan ini karena Anda berlangganan grup "[id-android] >>> Indonesian Android Community " dari Grup Google. >>> Untuk berhenti berlangganan dan berhenti menerima email dari grup ini, >>> kirim email ke id-android+berhenti [email protected] . >>> >> -- >> ========== >> ID-Android on YouTube >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u81L8Qpy5A >> -------------------- >> Web Hosting, Zimbra Mail Server, VPS gratis Raspberry Pi : >> http://www.hostune.com >> -------------------- >> Aturan Umum ID-Android: http://goo.gl/MpVq8 >> Join Forum ID-ANDROID: http://forum.android.or.id >> ========== >> --- >> Anda menerima pesan ini karena Anda berlangganan grup "[id-android] >> Indonesian Android Community " dari Grup Google. >> Untuk berhenti berlangganan dan berhenti menerima email dari grup ini, >> kirim email ke id-android+berhenti [email protected] . >> > -- > ========== > ID-Android on YouTube > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u81L8Qpy5A > -------------------- > Web Hosting, Zimbra Mail Server, VPS gratis Raspberry Pi : > http://www.hostune.com > -------------------- > Aturan Umum ID-Android: http://goo.gl/MpVq8 > Join Forum ID-ANDROID: http://forum.android.or.id > ========== > --- > Anda menerima pesan ini karena Anda berlangganan grup "[id-android] > Indonesian Android Community " dari Grup Google. > Untuk berhenti berlangganan dan berhenti menerima email dari grup ini, > kirim email ke id-android+berhenti [email protected] . > -- ========== ID-Android on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u81L8Qpy5A -------------------- Web Hosting, Zimbra Mail Server, VPS gratis Raspberry Pi : http://www.hostune.com -------------------- Aturan Umum ID-Android: http://goo.gl/MpVq8 Join Forum ID-ANDROID: http://forum.android.or.id ========== --- Anda menerima pesan ini karena Anda berlangganan grup "[id-android] Indonesian Android Community " dari Grup Google. 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