Lapor.... Palm pre udah tiba dengan selamat :) Thanks a bunch! Desire with Froyo....brrrrrrr....
On Jun 12, 2010 9:43 AM, "Fransiskus" <[email protected]> wrote: > Om Yoppie, siang ini driver bersama pre plus tiba di tkp. > > Salam, > > Fransiskus > -----Original Message----- > From: "yopie suryadi" <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:06:43 > To: Idandroid<[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [id-android] WTI: iPhone vs. Android vs. webOS: A Counterpoint > > Pak frans japri juga ya alamatnya. > Saya tuker pinjem dengan moto backflip :) > > @yopiesuryadi > www.jeruknipis.com/forum > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Fransiskus" <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:42:37 > To: Milisandro<[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [id-android] WTI: iPhone vs. Android vs. webOS: A Counterpoint > > Om Yopie japri alamatnya biar saya pinjaman seminggu pre plus. > > Salam, > > Fransiskus > -----Original Message----- > From: "yopie suryadi" <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:40:44 > To: Idandroid<[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [id-android] WTI: iPhone vs. Android vs. webOS: A Counterpoint > > Cobain dong *ngiler* > > @yopiesuryadi > www.jeruknipis.com/forum > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Fransiskus" <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 01:36:15 > To: Milisandro<[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [id-android] WTI: iPhone vs. Android vs. webOS: A Counterpoint > > webOS emang mantap, mudah2an HP bisa menarik minat developer mengembangkan applikasi agar makin sakti. > > Salam, > > Fransiskus > -----Original Message----- > From: Agus Hamonangan <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 07:41:59 > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; medan-android<[email protected]>; < [email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: [id-android] WTI: iPhone vs. Android vs. webOS: A Counterpoint > > I understand that the iPhone is the king of the hill (well > technically RIM is but they suck anyway and are only ahead because of > the giant corporate following) and Android is the new buzz word, but > how can so many comparisons just ignore webOS, the most intuitive, > productive, and flexible platform? Honestly I really am sick of the > fact that webOS is left out of most mobile device comparisons simply > because the "tech industry" doesn't use it because it isn't cool > enough to get headlines. > > The only thing that gets webOS into the headlines is when one of their > amazing and thought provoking creators leaves Palm to work for another > company. Why is this big news if webOS sucks? The truth is, webOS is > fantastic and these other mobile operating systems will benefit from > the talent behind webOS. But that doesn't mean webOS is going to lose > out because webOS is already ahead of all the competition. > > The thing that has held webOS back is the fact that it was only on two > phones and one of those phones had questionable build quality. But > lets face it, there will be a new webOS phone in the future and I > think we can all assume that Palm/HP aren't stupid about what hardware > they need to use for the next webOS phone. The thing that finally made > me write this rant was Lifehacker's article comparing iPhone to > Android. I mean really, I understand that both platforms just > announced major updates, (iOS 4 and Android 2.2) but I think that > webOS, which hasn't seen a major update for at least 4 months, is > still ahead of the game and I think it is about time that people start > to recognize it. > > I took the liberty to fix Lifehacker's article to actually take into > account all three competing mobile operating systems in the consumer > market. > > Ease of use; Winner: 2-way tie > This one we can call a tie between iOS 4 and webOS because both > interfaces are just as easy to launch and run apps and both have > little things that you need to get used to. Double tapping the home > screen to switch apps isn't super intuitive and neither is > forward/back gestures in webOS. In either case, Android is the loser. > > Openness; Winner: webOS > Obviously iOS loses here, Android is open source for its core OS and > allows installing apps from outside of the marketplace but so does > webOS. Where webOS takes the cake is the fact that there is no rooting > of your phone to get access to parts that are supposed to be locked > down. How to root the phone is FREAKING IN THE DOCUMENTATION!!! It > doesn't get any more open then that. And lets not forget the open > nature of the platform to allow apps to be written in HTML, CSS, > Javascript, or C/C++ if you want. Due to this wide open nature, > amazing things like Preware has been made available to tweak every > last "kernel" of your phone. > > Google also loses by making their "default" apps (Gmail, Maps, etc.) > completely closed source and even takes down anyone who tries to share > them. Palm on the other hand has written every built in app according > to the standards they hold their developers to and made the apps all > open source so you could see exactly how they built the app. Android > and webOS are both fairly open, but webOS is more open and is the > winner here. > > Battery Life; Winner: Bogus catagory > What is this doing here?!? This has everything to do with hardware and > almost nothing to do with software. In any case, I think we can agree > that Android loses this category with almost zero battery conserving > settings and complaints on almost every Android device. This is a > bogus comparison when trying to compare mobile operating systems. If > this were a debate between the iPhone 4, Evo 4G, and Palm Pre Plus > this would be a perfectly valid comparison. > > Multitasking; Winner: webOS > This is a no brainer. WebOS does multitasking better than any other > mobile OS available period. Android is the only other one that even > can run apps in the background but there is a reason that a task > killer is the first thing every Android phone needs. And lets not even > get into the difference between running apps and using approved > services and fast app switching. > > Software Keyboard; Winner: 2-way tie > iOS has evolved into the best software keyboard and Android actually > gives you options for keyboards, I would call this a tie because if > you want to use swype on Android, you can. A software keyboard is only > good if you are used to its idiosyncrasies and can use it. Personally, > I rarely have to get used to a hardware keyboard, but webOS doesn't > even have a proper soft keyboard option. > > System-Wide Search; Winner: 3-way tie > They all have it, they all work about the same with the same oddities > and features. It is a tie. But just for the record, Android and webOS > did it first. > > Notification System; Winner: webOS > Once again iOS is the clear loser here, and while I liked the idea of > Android's curtain at first it just plain sucks after using it for a > few months. I can't clear a single notification without clearing all > of the notifications and I can't have extended controls in a > notification. I know it is possible, but in all the apps I have > installed, I have never seen actual controls inside the notification, > just an icon that always stays there and opens the app when pressed. > > Voice-to-text; Winner: Android > This works really well 80% of the time in Android and is the clear > winner without a doubt. The bad thing is, I only use it 5% of the time > I am inputting any text. So it is great 4% of the time I input text > but really wouldn't be a missed function and I still would prefer a > proper physical keyboard. > > Syncing; Winner: 2-way tie > Who the hell wants to plug their phone into their computer anyway? iOS > loses here because you need iTunes for updates and setup. Android is > great as long as you use Gmail and have a Google account. WebOS > creates an account for you and stores all of your settings AND apps > installed. So with webOS, if you break/lose your phone, you can log in > with your Palm account and not only do all your settings from every > service (sans Facebook) come back, but the apps you had installed come > too. > > Non-Google Syncing; Winner: webOS > Ever heard of Synergy? You probably haven't, but it wins. Gmail, > Facebook, Yahoo, LinkedIn, and Exchange are all there, out of the box. > There is not contest here. > > Tethering; Winner: webOS > iOS is just now putting this feature in but because it has the typical > Apple restrictions, (no teather in to the iPad, really?) and Android > still costs money on any carrier that will allow it, webOS wins > because it is available on the Pre Plus and Pixi Plus and is > completely free on Verizon. Yes I know if you root your Android phone > you can do it for free, guess what, you can do the same thing in iOS > and webOS so no one cares. Heck, Windows Mobile 6.1 had this feature > and it worked great and was always free, doesn't mean WM is any good. > > Release/Update Consistancy; Winner: Bogus Catagory > HUH?!? really? What does this have to do with how good a mobile OS is? > because you know you will get an update every year? Is Windows better > because you get patches every first Tuesday of the month? Or the fact > that a new and improved Windows will come out every 3-5 years? NO it > makes it worse. This shouldn't even be on this list. > > Customizable; Winner: 2-way tie > If we are talking about user customizations, Android wins hands down. > Widgets are great, icons can be placed almost anywhere, and you can > set anything you want as a background image. But if we want to talk > about the underlying OS, that is a win for webOS. Just go look up > Preware and kernel patches and then come back and see why I picked > this as a tie for Android and webOS. Oh and I agree, webOS needs to > allow more home/lock screen customizations. Widgets sure would be nice > but not at the cost of slowing my phone down like it does in Android. > > Apps; Winner: 2-way tie > WebOS cannot complete here. Both Android and iOS have >50,000 apps and > at that point it just doesn't matter. There will probably be an app > for just about everything. I would actually call this one a slight win > for Android just because you can still install apps outside of the > marketplace and the web store they have announced should be a huge > success. Oh ya, and that whole Apple approval process is a joke. > > Web Browsing; Winner: 3-way tie > They are all based on webKit so what does it matter. Some will scroll > faster than others and some have better resolutions, but that all > depends on the phone and doesn't matter for rendering. Android and > webOS may have slight wins over iOS because they have embraced Adobe > flash but once again, that is a phone specific thing because the > device has to be up-to-snuff for playing flash content. A three way > tie. > > Gaming; Winner: 2-way tie > Android doesn't even have a language that enables the rich games that > iOS and webOS allow. And besides the quantity, webOS has every bit of > the quality as iOS so it is a tie. > > Music Player; Winner: 2-way tie > Android's built in music player is terrible, iOS' is as good as any > iPod's (which doesn't really say much), and webOS' is just OK. The > fact that webOS' player is open source makes the player really stand > out from the crowd when you install simple things like lyrics, and > wikipedia searches straight from the player. I know there are better > 3rd party players on all the platforms but that is not what we are > comparing here. So it is a tie between stock iOS and stock webOS. > > Free Turn-by-Turn Navigation; Winner: Android > This is a killer feature, but lets be honest, this will probably come > to iOS and webOS simply because Google can sell more ads if it exists > on all the platforms. For right now though, it is a win for Android. > > Google Apps Integration; Winner: Android > This is like saying iOS has the best iTunes integration. OF COURSE > ANDROID IS INTEGRATED WITH GOOGLE APPS. If Android did not have the > best app for Gmail I think we would all be very worried. This is one > of those arguments that fluffs Androids numbers IMO, but I will leave > it in just for the sake of argument. Every mobile OS will integrate > with their own offerings, the problem is, Apple and Palm don't have > email or web app offerings. This is more a win for Google and less of > a win for Android. > > Google Voice; Winner: 2-way tie > Yes this is a cool feature, I have it (and have had it since it was > Grand Central) but I never use it because it is iffy and I don't think > the service is quite there yet. In any case, both Android and webOS > have native apps for Google Voice and iOS is stuck using a web page. > Android integrates deeper into the system, but all of the basic > features/settings can be set on either platform so it is a tie. > > So what is that total again? This time taking out the frivolous comparisons. > iOS = 8 > Android = 10 > webOS = 13 > > Do I own a iPhone, Android phone, or Palm device? No. I have a 4 year > old Windows Mobile device (HTC Vogue) running Android 2.1. I have used > plenty of iPhones and have convinced quite a few people to buy webOS > devices. I just needed to let the few people who read this site know > webOS is the best mobile operating system currently available on the > market. I just hope other technology sites can finally recognize how > great webOS is, and maybe stop focusing on flaws with a phone that > came out when the original iPhone was still big news. > > http://lifehacker.com/5561282/iphone-vs-android-vs-webos-a-counterpoint?skyline=true&s=i > > -- > Salam, > > > Agus Hamonangan > > http://groups.google.com/group/id-android > http://groups.google.com/group/id-gtug > Gtalk : agus.hamonangan > Follow : @agushamonangan > E-mail : [email protected] > > -- > "Indonesian Android Community [id-android]" > > Join: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android/subscribe?hl=en-GB > Moderator: [email protected] > ID Android Developer: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-dev > ID Android Surabaya: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-sby > ID Android on FB: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=112207700729 > > -- > "Indonesian Android Community [id-android]" > > Join: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android/subscribe?hl=en-GB > Moderator: [email protected] > ID Android Developer: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-dev > ID Android Surabaya: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-sby > ID Android on FB: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=112207700729 > > -- > "Indonesian Android Community [id-android]" > > Join: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android/subscribe?hl=en-GB > Moderator: [email protected] > ID Android Developer: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-dev > ID Android Surabaya: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-sby > ID Android on FB: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=112207700729 > > -- > "Indonesian Android Community [id-android]" > > Join: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android/subscribe?hl=en-GB > Moderator: [email protected] > ID Android Developer: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-dev > ID Android Surabaya: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-sby > ID Android on FB: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=112207700729 > > -- > "Indonesian Android Community [id-android]" > > Join: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android/subscribe?hl=en-GB > Moderator: [email protected] > ID Android Developer: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-dev > ID Android Surabaya: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-sby > ID Android on FB: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=112207700729 > > -- > "Indonesian Android Community [id-android]" > > Join: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android/subscribe?hl=en-GB > Moderator: [email protected] > ID Android Developer: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-dev > ID Android Surabaya: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-sby > ID Android on FB: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=112207700729 -- "Indonesian Android Community [id-android]" Join: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android/subscribe?hl=en-GB Moderator: [email protected] ID Android Developer: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-dev ID Android Surabaya: http://groups.google.com/group/id-android-sby ID Android on FB: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=112207700729
