Hi Mark! On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 5:32 PM Mark Roseman <m...@markroseman.com> wrote:
> On Oct 16, 2018, at 1:46 AM, Tal Einat <talei...@gmail.com> wrote: > Our current find dialog isn't much clearer than a search bar: > > For comparison, here's what the search bar in the current PR looks like on > Windows: > > Thanks for posting the images. > > While I’m not a big fan of the existing dialogs, I think when you try to > replace the dialogs entirely you end up having to shoe-horn every feature > into a small space. > I'm not convinced; it seems that there's enough room if we use it well. Here are, for example, the find and replace bars from PyCharm: [image: image.png] [image: image.png] They don't use anywhere near the full with of the window, and they include a few buttons which I'm sure we don't need in IDLE. It also increases the complexity for new users. > I think that the images in my previous email show that the level of complexity is exactly the same for the find dialog. I think what’s there now is about at the limit, particularly if you’re > using a fairly narrow window. > Which seems fine to me, as I think we wouldn't want to *increase* the complexity of this UI. > One approach to this would be to not show some of the ‘extra/advanced’ > options right off the bat in the search bar, but have a small > progressive-disclosure icon that allows you to show or hide them (either > shrinking the width of the entry, or increasing the height of the search > bar to add a second row). Some people might always keep those extra options > visible, some might open them just to make changes and immediately close > them, others might never open them at all. How those options were set and > if the extra options were shown or not would be stored in preferences for > next time. Something to consider, even if for later. > > Another option is having a simple search bar and a full find dialog (as > per screen shot, from TextMate) with separate menu items/shortcuts to > trigger. Separates out a minimal version that you can use without > interrupting your workflow vs. a full one. Works for me, not sure it’s > right for Idle, given that adds another item to the menu which increases > complexity and also of course the obvious duplication. > These are good options, thanks for bringing them up! They initially strike me as more complex than the existing straightforward UI, but I'll give it some more thought. - Tal
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