On 12/13/22 6:35 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote:

This tactic appears to me to have three problems: (1) negative reputations are of little value to receivers, because attackers can easily shed them; (2) if I have to remember everything with a negative reputation for some undetermined period of time, I now have a resource problem; (3) I can just not sign my mail, because maybe no reputation is better than a negative one.

I don't understand #1. As in they can move to another service? Or what?

As for 3, it's pretty easy to cons up a new domain with fresh neutral reputation and still enjoy the supposed benefit of mail being signed for awhile. If you factor SPF in though it probably gets harder because now you need not only a new domain, but the underlying network connectivity to avoid detection.

Which brings up a question: even though they pass on DKIM they should fail on SPF, right? For transactional email that seems like a big old red flag, right?


In contrast, positive reputations are far fewer in number, far more valuable to collect and protect, and very likely last a lot longer.  Giving preferential treatment to a domain that earns a positive reputation seems like a much better approach.

In both cases you need to keep track of both as somebody with a bad rep might get better and one with a good rep might get worse, right? That is, this isn't static. Preferential of course is pretty subjective. I suspect that most of these filters operate much like spamassassin which gives weights to various factors, so good and bad are both useful.

Mike

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