On 2/10/23 10:23 AM, Wei Chuang wrote:
Hi all,
I've posted an updated version of the draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem-01 <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chuang-dkim-replay-problem/01/> draft.  It cleans up a lot from the -00 rough draft state so hopefully it's more clear.  It builds a case that spammers are exploiting DKIM through replay, identifies conflicting scenarios, and outlines a solution space.

-Wei

PS Many, many thanks goes to Dave Crocker for his editorial advice.

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| When large amounts of spam are received by the mailbox provider, the
| operator’s filtering engine will eventually react by dropping the
| reputation of the original DKIM signer.

I think this needs some amount of justification. It's really easy to hand wave this and it's certainly a common assumption, but it's not a given. What exactly does "dropping the reputation" actually mean in practice? Does it mean for certain senders, certain classes of senders, the whole sending domain? How are such drops weighted? What are plausible metrics the receiver might use? One mailbox sending a lot of spam but otherwise the sending domain seems to be behaving well, seems pretty relevant to the topic.

This is especially true if a BCP gets written here. The problem statement should be as specific as it can be about why it's hard for receivers to overcome this problem. If there's a lot of proprietary stuff that can't be talked about, then it's pretty impossible to put together a BCP since we collectively have no idea what those practices are.

I think this really goes to the heart of what's going on here.

Mike
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