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In message <[email protected]>, Bron
Gondwana <[email protected]> writes

>As I'm trying to implement DKIM2 DSNs, I am struck by very many things.
>
>1) they're only ever i=1; because the next hop has to remove the details and 
>create a new DSN.

That's not correct ... a backup MX which implements DKIM2 could well add
am i=2 DKIM2-Signature when forwarding the mail to the system that
actually handles the domain's email.

Now backup MXs are last century technology but I do not believe we
should be outlawing them here.

>2) they're only ever mf=<>
>
>3) they aren't modifyable (only ever a single message-instance, with no recipe)
>3a) and the signed Mesasge-Instance of the headers they include already hashes 
>its own headers and can be verified.

I don't think they should be modified, but if they were then the system
that actually handled them (see comment on #1 above) can undo changes

>4) their rt= must match the mf= of the top hop in the message; so can be 
>unambigously derived.
>
>5) their d= must match an rt= from the top hop of the message.  *this is 
>required still*
>
>So we could really just create a very simple singleton header:
>
>DKIM2-DSN: d=example.com; [email protected]; h=<mival> s=sel:alg:digest

I don't like this because of the complexity of having yet-another-
header-field, leaving alone the remarks above.

>This makes it really clear that this is a DSN.

if that is important (and implementers may find that it is) then I would
argue that a better way to signal this would be to prescribe what the
Subject header field MUST be.

>  It is only ever expected to be 
>received by Bounce addresses, which will generally be dedicated processor 
>addresses which never see anything else,

some mail is sent by individuals rather than ESPs (hard to remember some
days) ... so I think you might mean that it would be unusual for DSNs to
be forwarded back along a chain and the delivery to that forwarder
(backwarder!) was not to a specialised address.

- -- 
richard @ highwayman . com                       "Nothing seems the same
                          Still you never see the change from day to day
                                And no-one notices the customs slip away"

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