Sorry for the delay in responding.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2026 at 1:39 PM Emanuel Schorsch <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Thanks Wei for writing this up, I think it's very helpful! Can you spell
> out how this would work for the sender -> mailingList (no fromHeader
> modifications) -> receiver use-case (assuming they all support DKIM2)?
>

Sure.  This is the mailing-list scenario, all within DKIM2, i.e. the flow
is: Originator -> Mailing List -> Destination

The following are the headers after Mailing-List:

From: [email protected]

DKIM2-Signature: i=1; d=originator.example; [email protected];
[email protected];

DKIM2-Signature: i=2; d=mailinglist.example; f=unaligned;
[email protected];
[email protected];

At origination, this still recommends aligning at origination i=1.  At the
mailing-list i=2, although the payload From header could align, it does not
in this example, and the "unaligned" flag indicates this is intentional.

Would that count as a dkim2 auth case?
>

In this proposal, yes, because all changes are attributed to a signer and
the changes (none) are identified.  Alignment is also attributed.


> Or because the final fromHeader doesn't align it wouldn't count?
>

As mentioned, alignment is attributed in this proposal.


> Are we distinguishing in this proposal between cases where the mailingList
> made modifications and where there were no changes made?
>

This proposal still uses recipes as described in the -06 draft so mailing
list changes can be attributed.  Thus, a message that a mailing-list adds a
footer or modifies the Subject header field can be DKIM2 authenticated.
-Wei


>
> Best,
> Emanuel
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2026 at 10:49 AM Wei Chuang <weihaw=
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> DMARC combines a sender's enforcement policy published via DNS plus the
>> concept of what is to be validated which is around payload From alignment.
>> DKIM2 defines two sender defined forwarder constraint policies with the
>> flags "donotmodify" and "donotexplode".  This bifurcation is confusing
>> because they seem to work in a disjoined way.  Further there have been
>> several discussions on the list about flags, DMARC and compatibility of
>> DKIM2 that exists to DKIM1 and back to DKIM2 world.  IMO these topics are
>> all interrelated and we should think about this holistically across DMARC
>> and DKIM2.  DKIM2 authentication is meant to replace both DKIM1 and SPF,
>> and with that an opportunity to refine the utility and security of these
>> policy mechanisms.
>>
>> We propose separating out the sender's constraint/validation policies
>> from the enforcement policy, and to make consistent where to read
>> policies.  With DKIM2, we propose constraint/validation policies are placed
>> in the DKIM2 flags as these are configurable per message.  The DKIM2 draft
>> already specifies two sender policy constraint/validation flags-
>> "donotmodify" and "donotexplode".  This also proposes that the DKIM2
>> "feedback" flag has a modified meaning.  DMARC reporting is always enabled
>> for i=1 DKIM2 signer if aligned and a DMARC feedback policy record is
>> present to match current DMARC RFC9989 behavior.  However for i>1 by
>> default no reporting is given.  That may be overridden by setting the
>> "feedback" flag to explicitly request DMARC feedback for any i and any
>> alignment and so long as there is a DMARC feedback policy record published
>> for that domain.
>>
>> This proposes a third flag to control the DMARC RFC9989 alignment
>> validation behavior.  By default it is always applied at each hop
>> corresponding to some DKIM2 signature, however if the "unaligned" flag is
>> published, then no DMARC alignment validation is applied on.  Alignment
>> implies "ownership" of the message, as the payload From address is updated
>> to be an aligned sender.  When "unaligned"  is set on the i=1 DKIM2
>> signature, this may be used when the message originated elsewhere as a
>> "DKIM1" message but entered into the DKIM2 system at the i=1 DKIM2 signer,
>> and the i=1 signer declines to take "ownership" of that message.
>>
>> Now we describe the changes to sender's enforcement policy.  With this
>> change, there is still a need for a published DNS policy as it acts as a
>> side-channel outside of the message indicating the sender's enforcement
>> policy goals.  This is important as a message may not contain DKIM2
>> signatures for example if it is a spoofed message of the sender or was
>> modified to remove the signatures.  This proposes using the DMARC RFC9989
>> p= and sp= policy record tags for DKIM2.  These tags can take the value as
>> defined by RFC9989.
>>
>>    -
>>
>>    reject
>>    -
>>
>>    quarantine
>>    -
>>
>>    none
>>
>> However DMARC alignment behavior is modified by DKIM2 signature header
>> field "alignment" flag as noted before.  This recommends implementing the
>> other RFC9989 tags without further interpretation.
>>
>> To permit an MTA to publish what authentication methods it supports, this
>> also proposes a new optional DMARC policy record tag "auth=".  This flag
>> provides a declaration of authentication methods supported as both a SMTP
>> MTA sender and receiver, meaning what authentication methods potentially
>> present in the messages when sent, and what authentication methods it will
>> process as a receiver.  "auth=" takes a comma separated list of supported
>> authentication methods:
>>
>>    -
>>
>>    dkim
>>    -
>>
>>    dkim2
>>    -
>>
>>    spf
>>
>>
>> If not specified, relying parties can assume that both DKIM1 and SPF are
>> supported.  Notably by default DKIM2 is not specified.  If "auth=" is
>> supplied, then DKIM2 is meant to be explicitly declared so that it can be
>> used as a capability mechanism.  "auth=" can also be used to declare that a
>> MTA does not support some authentication method.  Because this declaration
>> is optional, MTAs may choose not to use this tag but still support an
>> authentication method such as DKIM2.
>>
>> Because the "auth=" tag can serve as a DKIM2 capabilities publication
>> mechanism, a DKIM2 sender can check if a receiver supports DKIM2.  If the
>> receiver does not, the sender can choose to bounce the message, or continue
>> to forward anyways.  If it forwards the message, it risks a subsequent
>> DKIM2 receiver detecting the incomplete chain of custody and rejecting
>> those messages as they are indistinguishable from replay.  Instead the
>> sender can choose to delete all DKIM2 signature header fields, or we
>> propose a second alternate declaration mechanism. When a sender wishes to
>> indicate that a message is going from DKIM2 to DKIM1 and to stop testing
>> the envelope recipient against the DKIM2 signature, it can publish a DKIM2
>> signature header field "rt=" tag without envelope recipient addresses.
>> Subsequent DKIM2 receivers can see that a message was intentionally sent to
>> a non DKIM2 domain, and that replay checking is unnecessary.  This
>> essentially allows all DKIM2 receivers to deterministically apply
>> anti-replay enforcements without solely needing to rely on local policy.
>> Those DKIM2 signature header fields provide value to subsequent DKIM2
>> receivers even after the message passes through a DKIM1 forwarder.  That
>> subsequent DKIM receiver can still process the DKIM2 signature header
>> fields for delivery forensics including the message traversed DKIM1,
>> respect the "donotmodify" and "donotexplode" policies, and provide DMARC
>> feedback as it wishes.
>>
>> DKIM2 participants should be very careful about using these features that
>> enable interop between DKIM1-only participants due to the potential of
>> introduced replay risks.  This is particularly true when a DKIM2
>> participant accepts DKIM1 traffic and signs as a DKIM2 message.  It is
>> incumbent on the DKIM2 forwarder that introduces DKIM1 traffic that the
>> traffic is free of replay because downstream receivers cannot use DKIM2
>> "rt=" to prevent replay.  We suggest that these DKIM1 interop features
>> should be limited to DKIM2 bring up and when the DKIM1-only participant is
>> well understood such as legacy enterprise services.  We recommend not
>> extending the DKIM2 signature chain if a message leaves DKIM2 to DKIM1-only
>> forwarder and returns to a DKIM2 receiver.  It should be noted that if a
>> DKIM1-DKIM2 forwarder fails to protect against replay, it is well
>> identified by its DKIM2 signature.
>>
>> The following are examples to illustrate the above concepts.
>>
>> #1 DKIM1 -> DKIM2 (unaligned, reporting requested)
>>
>> From: [email protected]
>>
>> DKIM-Signature: d=originator.example
>>
>> DKIM2-Signature: i=1; d=forwarder.example; f=unaligned,reporting;
>> [email protected]; [email protected];
>>
>> #2 DKIM2 -> DKIM1 -> DKIM2
>>
>> From: [email protected]
>>
>> DKIM2-Signature: i=1; d=originator.example; [email protected];
>> rt=
>>
>>
>> -Wei
>>
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