On Aug 4, 2006, at 8:34 AM, John L wrote:

Part of the problem here is the past record of SPF with over- zealous 550 if there's any hint of bogosity. We, for example, would be forced to take down a "we sign everything" policy if that were to happen with DKIM -- even though we'll be signing everything pretty soon. If there were a qualifier in the "I sign everything policy" that specifically implies that sending a 550 based on a missing DKIM signature alone is extremely bone-headed" then maybe we can both.

I don't see the point. That last suggestion is, to the recipient, the equivalent of a useless "I sign some mail" since you're telling the recipient it's OK to accept some amount of both signed and unsigned mail.

John,

In your zeal for simplicity, you appear to be missing valid uses for a policy statement. Mike correctly indicates a potential problem.

Think of the signing domain as representing a newspaper. When the editor of this newspaper allows reporters to be liars, there would be primarily less trust in the newspaper. The first party, from a trust aspect, is the newspaper's editor. By the same token, it should not be a requirement that all reporters share the same last name as that of the editor. Reporters should be allowed an easy means to appear in other newspapers. To facilitate this, reporters should be provided a means to indicate what newspapers carry their stories. A reporter may need to indicate that they freelance where other newspapers not listed may also carry their stories.

When a reader wonders whether the story they are reading in some unknown newspaper is really by the reporter they believe it to be, the reader could check the list of newspapers published by the reporter. There can be three outcomes:

 1 - If the newspaper is on this list, then the reader has greater
     confidence in who wrote the story.

 2 - If the newspaper is not on this list, and the list is marked
     as being a complete, then the reader would know that the
     story is not likely by this reporter.

 3 - If the newspaper is not on this list, and the list is marked
     as not being complete, then the reader would then need to
     investigate the reputation of the newspaper's editor.

There is value having a list marked incomplete. Perhaps a small population of readers will find the reporter's story in an unlisted newspaper. In these case, the reporter would rather have the reputation of the newspaper's editor checked. Without being able to mark the list incomplete, a report may find their story dismissed. This can be especially damaging when the reporter does a fair amount of freelancing.

-Doug

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