On Sep 21, 2006, at 11:15 AM, Michael Thomas wrote:
Douglas Otis wrote:
On Sep 21, 2006, at 11:02 AM, Michael Thomas wrote:
Douglas Otis wrote:

o  DKIM Strict: the state where the domain holder believes that all
  legitimate mail purportedly from the domain are sent with a
  valid DKIM signature and that non-compliant services are avoided.

What is difficult to understand with this definition? Is a definition needed for non-compliant services?

How does this differ from scenario #1?

This definition better pertains to scenario #1 than does DKIM Signer Complete which fails to offer assurances that non- compliant services are believed to have been avoided. This defined state allows greater clarity when attempting to differentiate between Scenario #1 and #2. The term "Strict" was borrowed from Eric's draft.

So is this an issue of just wanting to inject the word "strict" somewhere into scenario #1?
If so, I've already said why I don't think that's helpful.

The term "DKIM Strict" is an alias for a defined state that excludes non-compliant services.

Scenario #1 and #2 must be able to declare a different state to ensure proper handling of their messages. Being able to differentiate between these two states allows the 1% of instances where different handling of signature failure is desired, without potentially jeopardizing the delivery integrity of a domain that asserts the "DKIM Signer Complete" state.

In the case of scenario #2, knowing non-complaint services are used then permit all such known and well run non-compliant sources. These sources will be rather easy to identify and list. However, making this allowance for Scenario #1 would seriously reduced the desired security being sought. If "DKIM Signer Complete" is allowed, then "DKIM Strict" must also be allowed or this introduces a serious security flaw when considering how a "DKIM Signer Complete" state might be handled in practice.

-Doug

P.S. Neither DKIM Signer Complete or DKIM Strict are likely to prove beneficial in practice.

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