I don't have a specific objection to the word reputation per se but assessment 
is a more neutral term for this particular group so s/reputation/assessment/g 
should work.

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of Michael Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] Modified Introduction text for rfc4871-errata (resend)

Will somebody please tell the editor that this still violates our charter
since reputation is out of scope?

Thank you.

Mike


Dave CROCKER wrote:
> Jim Fenton wrote:
>> I do have a problem with the last paragraph:
>>
>>>        <t>For signers and assessors that have been using the i= tag for
>>>          reputation assessment a software change to using the d= tag is 
>>> intended.
>>>        </t>
>>>
>> and some of the text in the preceding paragraph because it attempts to
>> do exactly what the WG charter says we won't, specifically:
>
>
> Ahh, right.  That's the sort of land-mine I was afraid might need uncovering.
> Thanks for catching this.
>
> So...
>
> Previous Proposed Text:
>
>         <t>This currently leaves signers and assessors with the potential for
>           making different interpretations between the two identifiers and may
>           lead to interoperability problems. A signer could intend one to be
>           used for reputation, and have a non-reputation intent in setting the
>           value in the other. However the assessor might choose the wrong 
> value
>           and produce an unintended (and inaccurate) reputation 
> assessment.</t>
>
>         <t>This update resolves that confusion.  It defines additional, 
> semantic
>           labels for the two values, clarifies their nature and specifies 
> their
>           relationship.  More specifically, it clarifies that the identifier
>           intended for reputation lookups (such as white lists) by the
>           assessor is the value of the "d=" tag. However, this does not
>           prohibit message filtering engines from using the "i=" tag, or any
>           other information in the message header, for filtering decisions. 
> </t>
>
>         <t>For signers and assessors that have been using the i= tag for
>           reputation assessment a software change to using the d= tag is
>           intended.
>         </t>
>
>
> New Proposed Text:
>
>         <t>This currently leaves signers and assessors with the potential for
>           making different interpretations between the two identifiers and may
>           lead to interoperability problems. A signer could intend one to be
>           used for reputation, and have a non-reputation intent in setting the
>           value in the other. However the verifier might choose the wrong 
> value
>           to deliver to the assessor, thereby producing an unintended (and
>           inaccurate) reputation assessment.</t>
>
>         <t>This update resolves that confusion.  It defines additional, 
> semantic
>           labels for the two values, clarifies their nature and specifies 
> their
>           relationship.  More specifically, it clarifies that the identifier
>           intended for delivery to the assessor -- such as one that consults a
>           white list -- is the value of the "d=" tag. However, this does not
>           prohibit message filtering engines from using the "i=" tag, or any
>           other information in the message's header, for filtering decisions.
>         </t>
>
>         <t>For signers and verifiers that have been using the i= tag as the
>            primary value that is delivered to the assessor, a software change 
> to
>            using the d= tag is intended.
>         </t>
>
>

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