these are really good points: degree, repetition and reach/persistence matter greatly. this was well said.
regards, Frederick Frederick Hirsch Nokia On Dec 18, 2013, at 2:14 PM, ext David Singer wrote: > I think in an ‘automated’ context (such as the internet), other problems > arise which are not so evident in the physical world: repetition or degree, > and persistence and reach. > > For example, it has been (speciously) argued that > * if I allow myself to appear in someone’s photo when we are both in a > public place (and I do), then I don’t mind having my photo taken in public, > so it’s not a privacy concern, so I can be monitored 24x7 by public video > cameras, or be followed by someone with a video camera. > * if I allow someone to see what I am buying at the cash register in a store > (and I do), then it’s not a privacy concern to track my purchases, so a > complete record of all my purchases can be assmebled and kept. > > * if I allow people to observe (and implicitly remember) something, it’s > also fine for a computer to observe and record that > * if I allow people to report on something they learned, to others, it’s OK > for computers to share the data with others also > > The first two concern ‘degree’ – something that is ‘rare’ and isolated is not > a privacy concern, whereas something that is persistent and continuous may > well be. > > The second two concern ‘reach’ in space and time: people forget, and they > don’t spread information very far, and those told also forget: the data fades > away. Computers do not ‘forget’, and the data can be spread far and wide. > > Now, maybe rare events and finite propagation (in space and time) ARE privacy > issues, but nigglingly small and not to be worried about, but I am not sure > that’s true. “Was your privacy violated when the guy behind you noticed you > bought a Mars bar?” would usually get the answer “no”, I think, not “yes, but > to an insignificant degree”. > > > David Singer > Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc. > > _______________________________________________ > ietf-privacy mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-privacy _______________________________________________ ietf-privacy mailing list [email protected] https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-privacy
