Suggestion noted.   My notes indicate that the existing text was
worked out after considerable discussion, so I don't know how
the group will react.

FYI, "suggestion noted" means that, when
draft-klensin-rfc5321bis-00 appears, this suggestion will be
marked in the text for consideration.

  john


--On Friday, January 30, 2009 6:37 -0700 David MacQuigg
<[email protected]> wrote:

> At 11:18 AM 1/29/2009 -0500, John C Klensin wrote:
> 
>>  5321 rather carefully explains
>> what is valid and what is not.  To be valid under 5321, it
>> must meet the syntax rules for either a Domain or for an
>> address literal.  If it looks like a Domain, it must be a
>> resolvable FQDN.  The server is also encouraged to check the
>> relationship between the EHLO argument and whatever else it
>> knows about the sending machine (particularly its IP address
>> from the connection) but told that it must not reject the
>> mail simply because whatever tests it applies at that level
>> fails.  That doesn't somehow make the argument "valid" or
>> "invalid" as far as 5321 is concerned, it just means that an
>> optional test failed, one whose results the server is
>> prohibited from using to reject the message.
> 
> This is too broad.  The "whatever tests" could include a CSV
> test on the heloname.
> 
>> If the intention of the text was to say "the argument to EHLO
>> is noise and you can ignore it", that certainly could have
>> been said, and probably should have been.   The following are
>> all perfectly valid decisions under 5321 as written:
>> 
>>        * Rejecting the EHLO command and message because the
>>        argument does not follow the syntax rules.
>>        
>>        * Rejecting the EHLO command and message because the
>>        apparent FQDN in the argument does not resolve at all
>>        in the public DNS.
>>        
>>        * Noticing that the EHLO argument does not resolve to
>>        the address obtained from the connection, writing a
>>        private-use header into the message that records that
>>        fact, and then forwarding/delivering the message
>>        anyway.
>>        
>>        * Noticing that the EHLO argument does not resolve to
>>        the address obtained from the connection, delivering
>>        the message anyway, but delivering it to a folder
>>        different from the one that would normally be used for
>>        incoming messages associated with the RCPT command
>>        address.
>> 
>> If others disagree with that interpretation, we should discuss
>> it.  If people believe that the text needs further
>> clarification, I'd welcome suggested text modifications.
> 
> This sounds a lot better than previous discussions.  The RFC
> says "corresponds to".  I see you are using "resolves to" in
> the examples above, which to me at least, implies a matching
> address record.  The RFC should be more clear.  How about this:
> 
> Existing text:
>    An SMTP server MAY verify that the domain name argument in
> the EHLO    command actually corresponds to the IP address of
> the client.    However, if the verification fails, the server
> MUST NOT refuse to    accept a message on that basis. 
> 
> Suggested revision:
>    An SMTP server MAY verify that the domain name argument in
> the EHLO    command has an address record matching the IP
> address of the client.    However, if the verification fails,
> the server MUST NOT refuse to    accept a message on that
> basis.
> 
> This avoids what appears to be a blanket prohibition against
> IP-based authentication of the heloname.
> 
> -- Dave
> 
> 




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