> From: "Perry E. Metzger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The situation right now is really horrible. People are pretending it
> isn't, but the pretense really has to end. The End to End model isn't
> just a "nice idea" -- its actually needed for people to manage and
> maintain networks cost effectively. Its effectively dead a the moment,
> and frankly, I'd like the internet back again, instead of this kludge
> we're using instead these days.
Perry, one other thing I'm curious about (based on your messages in
particular, from this thread), and perhaps you can enlighten me.
While I'm not saying that NAT's are a Great Thing, I do wonder if people are
experiencing a bit of "grass is greener on the other side" syndrome here.
NAT's are in wide-spread use, and lots of people (e.g. you :-) are being
forced to struggle with their manifold downsides on a daily basis. In dealing
with this (and wishing they didn't have to deal with these problems :-), I
wonder if people are assuming (perhaps incorrectly) that the alternative is
relatively pain-free?
(My examination of some of the transition strategies indicates to me, as my
previous email alluded to, that perhaps they are going to suffer from many
of the same root causes that makes NAT painful too.)
So my question is: do you know of any site, one which has a lot of interaction
with the rest of the Internet, which has actually converted to the
alternative, for use on an ordinary daily basis, for the bulk of their
activity? (This is, after all, the stress level we're subjecting NAT boxes to,
these days.)
If so, it would be interesting to hear of their experience, so we can find
out to what degree the results of a conversion are any "greener".
Noel
