> And yes, I've seen WG try and discard earlier work...

I've seen them succeed, though perhaps not often enough.

> (btw, whats the distinguishing characteristic between an "outsider" and an "
> insider"?)

I was remembering numerous instances when an organization would issue 
a press release of the form "we have protocol X, it's wonderful, and we're
submitting it to IETF"...eventually sending in an I-D which either got 
completely ignored or (in rare cases) got published as Experimental with
the title changed from "the X standard" to "FOOCORP's X protocol".

Keith

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