there's some very fancy codes that digital fountain and other
companies doing FEC based reliable multicast have - see tornado codes
and other references

can this and the TCP discussion move to end2end-interest
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coz its a more appropriate (focussed) place!

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christian 
Huitema typed:

 >>Yes, in theory you may obtain an arbitrary residual rate for any given
 >>input rate + overhead, if you are willing to make your codes long
 >>enough. That may quickly become a tad pricy, however. There is also the
 >>additional problem that most demonstrations assume errors are randomly
 >>distributed. If the error distribution is heavy tailed, which is the
 >>case on very many technologies, all bets are off... This is one of the
 >>ways to not achieve the desired result.
 >>
 >>-- Christian Huitema
 >>
 >>> -----Original Message-----
 >>> From: James P. Salsman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 >>> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 4:22 PM
 >>> To: Christian Huitema
 >>> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >>> Subject: ECC limits? (was RE: An alternative to TCP ...)
 >>> 
 >>> 
 >>> >... To reach 10 Gbps, you will need a BER of 1.E-14....
 >>> > There are very many ways to not achieve that....
 >>> 
 >>> Are there any limits to what error correcting codes can provide?
 >>> 
 >>> If you have 15 Gbps with a natural error rate of 1 in 100, 
 >>> I think you can still get better than 1 in 1e14 bit errors 
 >>> at 10 Gbps with traditional techniques such as Reed-Solomon.
 >>> 
 >>> Please correct me if I am wrong.
 >>> 
 >>> Cheers,
 >>> James
 >>> 
 >>

 cheers

   jon

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