> > But since when was the IETF unaccredited?
> Ahh.. obviously you don't really understand the Tao of the IETF. ;) Hey... the IETF is fully accredited in my mind :). A lot more accredited than some of the other "accredited" universities around. Now.. so why did you skip over my comparison of a closest match to product citizenship? It's might convenient to give me a list to work with, which the idea doesn't fit into, and then skip over my own addition to the list :) If all products are born proverbially "RICH", and gain the market acceptance as having been derived from the use of the logo, trust me, ... your not going to want to lose that logo. At first would it be meaningless? Sure. The logo will have zero meaning until it makes it's way into a few contracts and the minds of a few CIOs. By creating a logo, there has to be demand for the logo. The value of the logo is in the demand that it creates, and in the differentiation of other products that it creates. In a competitive market, everyone is looking to differentiate, accept the people who have proprietary standards at risk. Fundamentally, the logo is really about giving standards-supporting products a leg-up in the market. Well, we can argue this until we're both blue in the face. The reality is... you've got my idea on the table. We absolutely need something, so what's your idea? Or are you just saying don't do it, because it's not part of the IETF. That may be the correct answer, I don't know. That's what we're here to find out. Never bring a criticism to the table without a better solution :). Kyle Lussier