Mark Adam wrote:
> 
> Ok... So I'm being a little idealistic, but this is different that just
> saying "Me too" to the "We ain't makin' widgets" responses. Optimally we
> should judge the work of a WG based on how well its output is accepted by
> the world at large, but that's a little late in the process.

I think this leaves out a very, very important issue -- when you make
the judgment.  A successful IETF output is one that continues to be
relevant and useful for a long time, and that enables the continued
flexibility and adaptability of the Internet to the requirements 10
years down the road.  We got where we are today by taking a long
view... we need to push back against those who would let short-term
optimizations produce long-term ossification.

Bob Braden

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