I sometimes use the following table :
+---+--------------+----------------------+
! # ! Layer name   ! Protocol Data Unit   !
+---+--------------+----------------------+
! 7 ! Application  ! Message              !
! 6 ! Presentation ! Data                 !
! 5 ! Session      ! Dialog               !
! 4 ! Transport    ! Segment              !
! 3 ! Network      ! Packet or Datagram   !
! 2 ! Data Link    ! Frame                !
! 1 ! Physical     ! Bits                 !
+---+--------------+----------------------+
! 0 ! Medium       ! Signal               !
+---+--------------+----------------------+

-----Original Message-----
From: Michel Py [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 

> Bill Cunningham wrote
> If datagram and packet is the same, then what are frames?
> TCP is carried by PPP frames. I'm not sure about APEX (rfc 3340)

This is not new, is it what we are referring to?

+---+--------------+----------------------+
! # ! Layer name   ! PDU                  !
+---+--------------+----------------------+
! 7 ! Application  ! Messages             !
! 6 ! Presentation ! Messages             !
! 5 ! Session      ! Messages             !
! 4 ! Transport    ! Segments             !
! 3 ! Network      ! Packets or datagrams !
! 2 ! Data Link    ! Frames               !
! 1 ! Physical     ! Bits                 !
+---+--------------+----------------------+

Michel.

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