[EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Seng) writes:

> ...
> FYI, I didnt get mbone since 1995 when I stop working for an ISP.  I have 
> managed to get any of my current ISPs to get it either.  It is time we 
> have to admit mbone is not going mainstream.

today shep reminded me that we (shepfarm and isc, with help from cisco,
juniper, procket, verio, and a cast of others) are supporting some number
of mbone-like tunnels designed to glue otherwise disconnected "walled gardens"
together, with touchdowns on fix-west, paix-sfba, and equinix-sj.  naturally
there'll be pressure toward (and aid offered toward) "going native", but
other than that these tunnels are free of cost.  "We *Can* Fix This."

> ps: https://helixcommunity.org/ - Real player (or at least Helix, the 
> Open Source version of it) is available on multiplatform.

if that increases the market for realnetworks' proprietary server-side
products, and if realnetworks is still doing absolutely no confirmation
on e-mail addresses they send bulk e-mail to, then i'll probably continue
to boycott that application suite, no matter how free the players are.
-- 
Paul Vixie

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