Funny that: if you don't recognize the statements, why don't you clearly
state that is appropriate to make complaints on-list and refute those who
ask for such complaints to be made offlist? Complaints _should_ be made
offlist.
Myself, Dan Bernstein, and I think others have been chastised for making
on-list complaints. Of course, we have only made them public after they
were privately ignored.
Of course, making every complaint on-list would be unreasonable--not to
mention inappropriate for a variety of legal reasons. It would subject the
IETF to claims of defamation, for example. So is your objection here
anything but frivolous?
--Dean
On 26 Nov 2002, D. J. Bernstein wrote:
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> miss and therefore delete mis-posts. your subscription address is
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> I've sent twelve messages to the namedroppers mailing list this month.
> Five of them have been silently discarded by the namedroppers censor,
> Randy Bush. (See http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/namedroppers.html for previous
> incidents.)
>
> Bush says that the only relevant feature of my messages is that they're
> sent from an address that isn't subscribed to namedroppers. Okay, boys
> and girls, let's look at some statistics:
>
> * 5/12 of my messages have been silently discarded;
>
> * according to Bush, this has nothing to do with me or the content,
> so we estimate that about 5/12 of all non-subscriber messages have
> been silently discarded;
>
> * in the past three months, there have been about 100 legitimate
> messages from other people who Bush labelled as non-subscribers;
>
> * so we estimate that, in the last three months, Bush has silently
> discarded about 71 legitimate messages from other people. That's a
> rate of hundreds per year.
>
> Bush doesn't say ``Your message didn't go through.'' Bush doesn't say
> ``Reply to this bounce to confirm your original message.'' He simply
> throws the message away.
>
> This is supposed to be the mailing list for an open IETF working group.
> It's outrageous that valid messages are being silently discarded---even
> if the number is not as large as hundreds per year.
>
> ---D. J. Bernstein, Associate Professor, Department of Mathematics,
> Statistics, and Computer Science, University of Illinois at Chicago
>
> P.S. Out of my twelve messages, the five that were silently discarded
> are exactly the five that I would pick if I were a censor trying to bias
> the DNSEXT decisions in favor of the BIND company. Coincidence, right?
>
> P.P.S. Bush's mailing-list software doesn't cryptographically confirm
> unsubscription requests. I kept my subscription address private until
> Bush revealed it a few days ago. I'm working on obtaining a subscription
> through an address that Bush doesn't know is connected to me.
>
>
>
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:
>
>
> --On 12. juli 2004 12:55 -0400 Dean Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >> it has been pointed out to you that you have the ability to
> >> communicate with Rob Austein using the mail address that is posted
> >> on the ietf dnsop charter web page:
> >
> > As Chairman Alvestrand has clearly stated, IETF email lists are not to be
> > used for making complaints. One is not supposed to make complaints to the
> > DNSOP list. The only exception to this rule is the main IETF list which
> > has administrative discussion as its purpose.
>
> I do not recognize that as anything I have said.
> Please point to the quote.
>
> Harald
>
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