Agreed,
        I'm never using the term IP again unless it's internet protocol.
What I meant indeed was patents in the context of software.
        I Should NOT have made the assumption in this crowd, though I think
everyone agrees, that nobody here is really talking about trademarks (which
obviously is about reputation from the holders perspective) and
copyrights(i.e. stealing code directly).

-Tom

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dean Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 12:13 PM
> To: Ted Faber
> Cc: Iljitsch van Beijnum; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Shuffle those deck chairs!
> 
> There are very good arguments as to why "intellectual property" and
> derivatives should be avoided as a term.   One should talk 
> instead about 
> patents, copyrights and trademarks instead. The issues 
> represented by the three are substantially different among 
> the three and they can't be successfully generalized.
> 
> To illustrate the inappriateness of the "intellectual 
> property" as a term, all we have to do is examine the current 
> state of patents, copyrights, and
> trademarks:  It is unlikely that Patents are on the way out. 
> It may be that software patents are on the way out. It may be 
> that biotech patents are on the way out.  It is unlikely the 
> copyrights are on the way. It may be that copyright abuse may 
> be limited.  It is unlikely that trademarks are on the way out.
> 
>               --Dean
> 
> 
> On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Ted Faber wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 09:44:02PM +0200, Iljitsch van 
> Beijnum wrote:
> > > On 12-okt-04, at 19:36, Thomas Gal wrote:
> > > 
> > > >and IP is on it's way out
> > > 
> > > Please note that in the IETF the letters "IP" first and foremost 
> > > mean "Internet Protocol". To use them for something else 
> is confusing.
> > 
> > To forestall the question, when communicating with the IETF one 
> > shortens "intellectual property" to "IPR."  You can pretend it 
> > abbrieviates "Intellectual Property Rights" or 
> "Intellectual PRoperty."
> > It replaces both phrases in discourse and writing.
> > 
> > 
> 
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